leader should be able to exclude a player from derby

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Originally Posted by 00becker

I am very much against this idea, or any idea that would allow someone who isn't me adjust my personal settings on my own farm. If there's a problem with my game-play not syncing with the accepted norms of my neighbourhood then there are options in place to allow my neighbourhood leader to deal with this that do not involve infringing on my farm and my choices. We have a neighbourhood chat - speak to me about it. If this is not successful and my life (real and gaming) and priorities do not align with the neighbourhood's then we all have the option to opt-out ourselves. And we all have the option to leave a neighbourhood. And if my neighbourhood leader is unsatisfied with my contribution (derby or otherwise), the option exists to remove me from the 'hood. And that is what they should do.

This request comes again and again from neighbourhood leaders and it is always accompanied by a lament about removing neighbourhood members. But there are responsibilities that accompany being a neighbourhood leader, and along with determining how the neighbourhood should function comes acting to ensure that function. It falls to my neighbourhood leader to actually lead. Which might mean removing members (including me) from the 'hood.

So, as a neighbourhood leader I would ask the OP to determine whether their neighbourhood priorities include derby participation and to follow through in maintaining those priorities in their own 'hood. Because you have the tools to do this now. And you have the responsibility to do so. And you have the ability to reevaluate your neighbourhood priorities if you're feeling conflicted about the outcome.

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That really does miss the point.

Did you think about (or even read) the list of various reasons why players are unable to access their games?! If they are unable to access their game they cannot 'just ask/use chat'. You cannot speak to them to realign your expectations or their participation They cannot opt out if they can't access their game!

If the Leader has to kick someone out of the NH, that has a MUCH bigger impact than opting them out of the Derby. It is FAR LESS controlling. I cannot see how people think this is giving leaders greater control?! It would simply be giving them a LESS HARSH way of dealing with some issues. The impact is the same either way - you are unable to participate in the Derby currently taking place...but if you are booted you ALSO have no NH. Why do you consider that a better option!?

I totaly agree with you!
I'm asking this option because "I have to lead", I'm in charge of the NH and try to be fair and correct with every member, and I think it is much fairer to "remove a member for one derby, so that then we can talk when (and if) he comes back to the chat" than "remove from the NH and bye bye".
Anyway, every leader acts as he/she prefers, it is a matter of "vision of the leadership and of the NH", and it was a proposal... let's see if it will be accepted or not by HD :)
Thanks!

SmallChange and shundue, I do see your points about when it could be helpful to allow the leader to opt out NH mates who are unable to do so themselves, for various reasons, instead of booting people and then sending an invitation to return once they log back into the game. And as was mentioned, if a leader maliciously opted a member out, why would that person wish to remain in a NH with a leader like that?

Even with that said, I'm still not 100% sure I would want the leader to have those abilities as it does take some control away from the other individual, even if it may only be for a limited amount of time. I think I may sort of be on the fence now... :/

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Originally Posted by knitgal2

SmallChange and shundue, I do see your points about when it could be helpful to allow the leader to opt out NH mates who are unable to do so themselves, for various reasons, instead of booting people and then sending an invitation to return once they log back into the game. And as was mentioned, if a leader maliciously opted a member out, why would that person wish to remain in a NH with a leader like that?

Even with that said, I'm still not 100% sure I would want the leader to have those abilities as it does take some control away from the other individual, even if it may only be for a limited amount of time. I think I may sort of be on the fence now... :/

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Knitgal - the thing that I don't understand is that in either scenario the player is unable to play the Derby for the same amount of time, it's just that on top of that, if you kick them out then they have no NH and no opportunity to explain/remain in the NH but stay opted out, decide to opt back in but meet the NH standard, say good bye if they choose to leave or whatever.

I 'get' that people don't want others to have any control over ther game - but as soon as you join an NH the Leader has that control, they can kick you out of the NH and for that period you are unable to play the Derby. I don't see the downside to opting them out that's worse than kicking them out?!

...plus - inviting them back doesn't work unless you are 'friends' outside of the game and that's not possible for everyone.

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Originally Posted by SmallChange

Knitgal - the thing that I don't understand is that in either scenario the player is unable to play the Derby for the same amount of time, it's just that on top of that, if you kick them out then they have no NH and no opportunity to explain/remain in the NH but stay opted out, decide to opt back in but meet the NH standard, say good bye if they choose to leave or whatever.

I 'get' that people don't want others to have any control over ther game - but as soon as you join an NH the Leader has that control, they can kick you out of the NH and for that period you are unable to play the Derby. I don't see the downside to opting them out that's worse than kicking them out?!

...plus - inviting them back doesn't work unless you are 'friends' outside of the game and that's not possible for everyone.

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You make very good points, and I do completely understand where you're coming from, especially if the NH mate isn't a GC friend due to playing on an Android device.

The new Fair Play policies that SC now has in place for opting out players who have not played for at least a month is at least a bit of help in this area...maybe not soon enough for some NHs, but IMO, something is better than nothing.

I may wish to straddle the fence a bit longer before deciding to keep my original view or hop into your yard (or garden, as you Brits like to call it :) ).

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Originally Posted by SmallChange

That really does miss the point.

Did you think about (or even read) the list of various reasons why players are unable to access their games?! If they are unable to access their game they cannot 'just ask/use chat'. You cannot speak to them to realign your expectations or their participation They cannot opt out if they can't access their game!

If the Leader has to kick someone out of the NH, that has a MUCH bigger impact than opting them out of the Derby. It is FAR LESS controlling. I cannot see how people think this is giving leaders greater control?! It would simply be giving them a LESS HARSH way of dealing with some issues. The impact is the same either way - you are unable to participate in the Derby currently taking place...but if you are booted you ALSO have no NH. Why do you consider that a better option!?

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Agree 100%.

I am truly shocked that there is opposition to such a proposal given leaders can boot players out of neighbourhoods. Maybe that's due to having a Clash of Clans background where opting players out is now common place. In the past leaders had no choice but to kick players and that was far more disruptive to clan balance and friendships.

Maybe, a workaround, and anyway something that in my opinion is really missing, is a way to invite everyone you want to join a NH, be this one a friend in FB or not!
I do not understand why, if I find a good farm while buying somethink in the newspaper, I cannot invite this person to my NH... he can alway ignore my invitation, or directly cancel it... maybe with a simple option in the settings like "maximun number of invitations" (to avoid having thousands invitations), it could be really much simpler inviting and enlarging a NH!
And in this way, if the leader had to kick someone out who is not a friend on fb, really he can then invite back that person...

I don't like this idea. A little extreme for a game

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Originally Posted by daz258

Agree 100%.

I am truly shocked that there is opposition to such a proposal given leaders can boot players out of neighbourhoods. Maybe that's due to having a Clash of Clans background where opting players out is now common place. In the past leaders had no choice but to kick players and that was far more disruptive to clan balance and friendships.

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I don't play COC, so I didn't realize the Clan leader could opt portions of their clan out of a war.

Yes, HD is a totally different type of game than COC, however, if opting out in COC is allowed, it sounds like it would be the same type of concept for HD, since a war and the derby are a group function/effort.

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Originally Posted by knitgal2

You make very good points, and I do completely understand where you're coming from, especially if the NH mate isn't a GC friend due to playing on an Android device.

The new Fair Play policies that SC now has in place for opting out players who have not played for at least a month is at least a bit of help in this area...maybe not soon enough for some NHs, but IMO, something is better than nothing.

I may wish to straddle the fence a bit longer before deciding to keep my original view or hop into your yard (or garden, as you Brits like to call it :) ).

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You're welcome in my garden anytime! It's getting warmer here now & it teased us with a summer day yesterday!



I'd understand the arguement if leaders couldn't boot people out of the NH, but when they can, the intermediate step of opting them out of the Derby just seems kinder & logical to me.