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March 26th, 2016
LynnK2015

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

The control I'm employing is not helping in the DD. I have absolute control over that. It shouldn't be this way because finding those bushes and filling those crates had always been a rush for me and enjoyable part of the gaming experience...but the unnecessary stress that comes along with it out weighs the benefits.

I look daily in the DD for farmers who need help and help them. I also sell unadvertised at least once a day BEMs, LEMs, or SEMs which are bought immediately by my hoodmates or eventually by one of my followers. I cannot recall the last time my goodies were bought by a farmer who didn't help my boat or water my plants. I cannot recall the last time a lurker bought something intended for a hoodmate.

I'm truly blessed. Maybe it's good timing or good karma or a little of both. :)

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

It's something SC needs to seriously consider, given this topic comes up again and again. This thread might get closed. A month later, a new one will pop up. It's like clockwork.

I don't think the mods will close this thread as long as we forummates continue to have a civil discussion about this controversial and evergreen topic of raiding or enthusiastic shopping. Some of the arguments in this thread were previously presented in the past but worth repeating. And I also have gained new insights from points of views I never considered.

Thank you very much posters.
March 26th, 2016
mybluemitten

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Originally Posted by GladeMaid

Poochini, because you play solo, and presumably do not belong to a neighbourhood, I can see that you would not understand the issue. Many, many people place items in their RSS, but do not advertise them, so do not consider them posted for sale to the general public, but only available to their neighbours and friends. It's a symbiotic, communal shopping arrangement amongst a group of people known to each other. So, when someone who is not a neighbour or friend, but is some random stranger they helped via the DD buys out their entire shop, and does this repeatedly over the fortnight they remain on their Last Helpers tab, they feel their good deed is being repaid by opportunistic greed.

I think everyone pretty much agrees that if something is actually advertised in the DD, anyone is entitled to buy as much as they want.

I also play solo, and in a NH of just me, and it has been this way from the beginning. Us "solo-ers" experience The Same Things others do that belong to a NH of more than one. I have a very good relationship with all those I follow, and with most of those who follow me. I have been raided plenty in the past. I also very frequently put things in my shop unadvertised. It's there for whoever. Who said it?--first come, first serve. I refuse to stop helping in the DD because there are some farmers in this global community who might raid, but if they do then so be it cause that's the way the game goes and the repercussions won't last forever.
Anyway, back to my main reason for writing-- you absolutely do Not have to be in a NH of more than one member to experience "symbiotic, communal" shopping arrangements, or experience people who are "known to each other." Yes, to each his/her own, and to everyone I do still wish, as I said in a previous post here, to Please try not to be so close-minded.
March 26th, 2016
Gertie777

A dif perspective

Today I reached level 199. I help every crate I can fill, always have.
I've never placed an ad in the DD but my items sell immediately. Currently I have appx 600 followers.
Any items I have for sale are fair game, first come, first serve basis. The farm purchasing my goods is irrelevant. I'm not attached to virtual baked goods, lol.
B/c of drama within the Hoods, I've played solo the last few months.
March 26th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

I also play solo, and in a NH of just me, and it has been this way from the beginning. Us "solo-ers" experience The Same Things others do that belong to a NH of more than one. I have a very good relationship with all those I follow, and with most of those who follow me. I have been raided plenty in the past. I also very frequently put things in my shop unadvertised. It's there for whoever. Who said it?--first come, first serve. I refuse to stop helping in the DD because there are some farmers in this global community who might raid, but if they do then so be it cause that's the way the game goes and the repercussions won't last forever.
Anyway, back to my main reason for writing-- you absolutely do Not have to be in a NH of more than one member to experience "symbiotic, communal" shopping arrangements, or experience people who are "known to each other." Yes, to each his/her own, and to everyone I do still wish, as I said in a previous post here, to Please try not to be so close-minded.

Having always been part of a NH im intrigued as to what it's like to play solo. Do you take part in the derby? How easy is it to expand? I can see now why you rely on followers and such for help. I wrongly assumed no one wanted people swooping in on their trees and bushes to water them. It annoys me but if your solo then it's very appreciated help :)
March 26th, 2016
bender018

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Originally Posted by GladeMaid

I think everyone pretty much agrees that if something is actually advertised in the DD, anyone is entitled to buy as much as they want.

Yes, for sure. First come, first serve.
March 26th, 2016
mybluemitten

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Originally Posted by VickyD

Having always been part of a NH im intrigued as to what it's like to play solo. Do you take part in the derby? How easy is it to expand? I can see now why you rely on followers and such for help. I wrongly assumed no one wanted people swooping in on their trees and bushes to water them. It annoys me but if your solo then it's very appreciated help :)

Yes I play the derby! It's the hay day highlight of the week for me. ;) Been in the champ league since it begun. I don't know how to compare expanding going it alone versus having gc, facebook, or NH members for help, but it hasn't been all too difficult I don't think! Thanks for the interest! :o
March 26th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

I also play solo, and in a NH of just me, and it has been this way from the beginning. Us "solo-ers" experience The Same Things others do that belong to a NH of more than one. I have a very good relationship with all those I follow, and with most of those who follow me. I have been raided plenty in the past. I also very frequently put things in my shop unadvertised. It's there for whoever. Who said it?--first come, first serve. I refuse to stop helping in the DD because there are some farmers in this global community who might raid, but if they do then so be it cause that's the way the game goes and the repercussions won't last forever.
Anyway, back to my main reason for writing-- you absolutely do Not have to be in a NH of more than one member to experience "symbiotic, communal" shopping arrangements, or experience people who are "known to each other." Yes, to each his/her own, and to everyone I do still wish, as I said in a previous post here, to Please try not to be so close-minded.

I'm as open minded as they come, Mybluemitten. I've been challenging folks to speak up, don't be content with the status quo, don't be silent because it's how things are supposed to be...there's always room for improvements, things can always get better. Don't let the game get stagnant, work on improving actual game play rather than introducing new products and machines.

That being said, I invite u to read some of my earliest posts back in 2013. I've been one of the biggest proponents for the "no such thing as raiding, buy as much as u want!" camp. I never understood why those people hated raiders. It baffled my mind. It wasn't until it happened to me and my hoody on several ocassions did I realize it's a pretty big deal. I guess people won't truly understand this issue unless they have actually gone through it themselves. Go help someone in the DD, play with friends, fill ur shop with premiums every hour, maybe...just maybe some of u will see the light.
March 26th, 2016
mybluemitten

Oh my gosh HS, did you read my post?! I just said I have been raided plenty in the past. I understand both sides! And in that post that you quoted me on, like I said in the post, I was trying to explain that solo players as well as those in a more numbered NH go through the same things!! Chill pill! Have fun with this thread and not reading carefully.
March 26th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

Oh my gosh HS, did you read my post?! I just said I have been raided plenty in the past. I understand both sides! And in that post that you quoted me on, like I said in the post, I was trying to explain that solo players as well as those in a more numbered NH go through the same things!! Chill pill! Have fun with this thread and not reading carefully.

The first paragraph was meant for u. The rest was meant for everyone. U must've misunderstood...apologies. No need to start a sad thread.

Happy farming.
March 26th, 2016
deegee

I would really like to see an option in the gear called Anonymous Helper. That would solve the problem for me. I would start helping people again if they couldn't get to my farm. There is no right or wrong way to play, just personal preferences. An option would please everyone, I think.
March 27th, 2016
LutetiumFarms

I sometimes get raided, also. Usually, I do not advertise until my shop is full, or if I need a couple more spaces than I currently have available in my RSS. One time, I filled up with 520 soybeans (I have a LOT of RSS spaces) and since I sell them at 10 for 65, this one person bought them all, and THEN sold them for full price quickly, when it took me multiple hours to sell those soybeans. The newspaper system is absolutely terrible in my opinion, it always messes up.
March 27th, 2016
AmyRose77

Missed opportunity!

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Originally Posted by shepherdgirl

THIS. Exactly.

I recently went through a week of hell with some witch that I'd helped. She camped on my shop and sniped my trades literally 7x24. I don't think this chick ever slept, and I also think it was her baby farm because she couldn't be playing her own game given she was ALWAYS in my shop. I'd put a wheat up, and she started tap tapping because she happened to luckily get 10 lobsters and 20 feathers the first time she came to my shop and sniped a trade.

It was brutal, ruined a week of play for me, and I don't help anyone in the DD anymore. :( Which is a real shame because that was a part of the game that I used to love doing. :(:(

Sorry to hear you got caught up in some oddball's compulsive behavior. But you missed an excellent opportunity. How fun would it have been to put up one wheat and then let her "steal" ten tofu dogs at full price? And then do it again, and again, until she just goes away. You could use a little bit more deviousness in your life @shepherdgirl
March 27th, 2016
GladeMaid

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

I also play solo, and in a NH of just me, and it has been this way from the beginning. Us "solo-ers" experience The Same Things others do that belong to a NH of more than one. I have a very good relationship with all those I follow, and with most of those who follow me. I have been raided plenty in the past. I also very frequently put things in my shop unadvertised. It's there for whoever. Who said it?--first come, first serve. I refuse to stop helping in the DD because there are some farmers in this global community who might raid, but if they do then so be it cause that's the way the game goes and the repercussions won't last forever.
Anyway, back to my main reason for writing-- you absolutely do Not have to be in a NH of more than one member to experience "symbiotic, communal" shopping arrangements, or experience people who are "known to each other." Yes, to each his/her own, and to everyone I do still wish, as I said in a previous post here, to Please try not to be so close-minded.

Mybluemitten, you have followers and friends, therefore you are not playing solo. You have a symbiotic, communal relationship with your friends and followers. Poochini said he does not have friends and followers, and, it would seem, truly plays solo. Bit of a difference there.
March 27th, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by Midori669

You guys are a bunch of ♥♥♥♥. If you don't want to play openly and allow everyone to enjoy going to help you, then there's no point to play. In the neighborhood I am in, it's just me and my friend. I know her. We used to work together. She is the person who got me hooked onto Hay Day. She is the neighborhood leader. Goodness, I wish to get those gift card decorations too, but I can't if all of you are being a bunch of ♥♥♥♥ to not allow helpful people to help on your farms. You guys should be more generous to outside help.

I can't keep it just to my own neighborhood. There's only one other person in this neighborhood. No one seems to join us. She doesn't go to the forums. And I am not the leader so I am not going to do the recruiting.

I admire you groups that have 200 people in your group. You must be in champion level all the time. I can never get passed the professional league (or whatever league is just before the champion one). I can not even get into the champion league.

And I am not going to leave the neighborhood I am in. Why should I when I might not do well in the derby? I'll get kicked out of the new neighborhood. Sometimes I do really well, I do all 8 tasks, and once I even bought a 9th task and did it successfully. The following derby, I must have been tired out or something and I only got thru 3 tasks. Then the following derby I did maybe 6 tasks and then the following derby I did well with all 8 tasks but the next derby I only did 2 tasks. It varies! But I am always saying, "sorry" to my neighborhood leader whenever I do poorly. Although, she is probably tired of me always saying that and I should probably stop.

I am a communicative person but don't like to talk verbally very much.

We should all be tolerant of the playing styles of others who play in good faith, and not characterize them in rude and perjorative manners.

It is perfectly fine to want to play solo and not seek help, just as it is perfectly fine to actively seek and accept help.

There is no right or wrong way to play Hay Day as long as the terms of service are not violated.
March 27th, 2016
Princessalone1472

Tina blessed

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Originally Posted by unknown4ya

It happens too often. When you help a person in paper and they raid your shop. I don't want to help anyone from paper because they will be raiding products that I want to share with my Nh. The last helper tab is not the best idea, it's useless, it only gives gamers the opportunity to empty shops. And I know many don't help others in paper because of this. A thank you note and a coupon is enough for them.

I am looking for the neighborhood name ev it is on the deby also she as a very sweet person can some one help me my name is Tina blessed on the game thank you ok for your help
March 27th, 2016
prasanna

I see the problem is tat strangers stalk our shops. I know most of u put a wheat up before selling goodies. Jus to confuse stalkers, put wheat on frst n last box frst buy last box n then buy frst box n this s week seller sell u goodies while the stalker waits on last box forever :p
March 27th, 2016
cheshirealice17

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Originally Posted by Midori669

You guys are a bunch of ♥♥♥♥. If you don't want to play openly and allow everyone to enjoy going to help you, then there's no point to play. In the neighborhood I am in, it's just me and my friend. I know her. We used to work together. She is the person who got me hooked onto Hay Day. She is the neighborhood leader. Goodness, I wish to get those gift card decorations too, but I can't if all of you are being a bunch of ♥♥♥♥ to not allow helpful people to help on your farms. You guys should be more generous to outside help.

I can't keep it just to my own neighborhood. There's only one other person in this neighborhood. No one seems to join us. She doesn't go to the forums. And I am not the leader so I am not going to do the recruiting.

I admire you groups that have 200 people in your group. You must be in champion level all the time. I can never get passed the professional league (or whatever league is just before the champion one). I can not even get into the champion league.

And I am not going to leave the neighborhood I am in. Why should I when I might not do well in the derby? I'll get kicked out of the new neighborhood. Sometimes I do really well, I do all 8 tasks, and once I even bought a 9th task and did it successfully. The following derby, I must have been tired out or something and I only got thru 3 tasks. Then the following derby I did maybe 6 tasks and then the following derby I did well with all 8 tasks but the next derby I only did 2 tasks. It varies! But I am always saying, "sorry" to my neighborhood leader whenever I do poorly. Although, she is probably tired of me always saying that and I should probably stop.

I am a communicative person but don't like to talk verbally very much.

1. Your tone is very rude. No one wants to listen to people put everyone else down. Take off the crown of pretention and join the rest of humanity xD
2. Everyone play this awesome game in a different way, just go with the flow
3.you are being rude about the completely wrong subject. These people are not complaining about farms that come to help, but to RAID THEIR SHOPS. next time, notice what everyone is complaining about before you say very rude things
4. Just because everyone does not play in the same style you do does not mean anyone's style of play should be put down. And the game should ultimately be set up in a manner that people can have who they want on their farms when they wish.

All valid comments here on this thread
March 27th, 2016
GladeMaid

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Originally Posted by prasanna

I see the problem is tat strangers stalk our shops. I know most of u put a wheat up before selling goodies. Jus to confuse stalkers, put wheat on frst n last box frst buy last box n then buy frst box n this s week seller sell u goodies while the stalker waits on last box forever :p

With the new chat feature it isn't necessary to put up a wheat when selling to neighbours anymore. The buyer simply has to say in the chat when they are waiting, finger poised, in the seller's RSS. This means the stalker no longer has advanced warning of a trade. The trade item can be posted and bought before the stalker realises it. Of course this isn't possible when conducting a trade with someone external to the NH.
March 27th, 2016
Sparkly888

Let's face it. The game gives plenty of options for different playing styles.
Picking up cheap soybeans or wheat to sell at max price in your own shop is good strategy.
Frequenting a stand that often posts good items is also more effective than trying to struggle through many many pages of wheat, indigo and tofu dog ads in order to find really good stuff.

People will use the options in the game and are perfectly entitled to do so.
NOT helping people in the DD is also a perfectly valid strategy.

But given that SC has implemented an even better communication strategy for NHs I'm still surprised that people are surprised that some random stranger has played the game in a perfectly acceptable way by buying what they find in someone's shop.
It doesn't mean they are greedy or that they are stealing. They are buying what's been posted for sale.

If you want your neighbours to have what's in your shop it's easy enough to let them know you have placed items there for them.
March 27th, 2016
Mog

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Originally Posted by deegee

I would really like to see an option in the gear called Anonymous Helper. That would solve the problem for me. I would start helping people again if they couldn't get to my farm. There is no right or wrong way to play, just personal preferences. An option would please everyone, I think.

I do agree this would be a nice optional alternative to this problem. Pre-Neighbourhood this tab was fine but now it's slowly becomming more and more of an issue.
I, much like you, rarely help out on the paper anymore unless I'm truly stuck on the Derby help task.
March 27th, 2016
LetTheMusicPlay

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Originally Posted by Salimyter

Actually SC didn't have anything to do with that. People just assumed they did because it'd been complained about so much but Nick even posted that they hadn't made any changes to that effect.

Quoted for emphasis. (!!!)

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Originally Posted by Salimyter

It IS your shop and that's the problem. I posted about this in another thread that psychologically HD leads you to believe you should have more control over your farm than you do. RSS is on your property, by all appearances it's private property since only your truck, the mailman, and Tom who is in your employ travel the road. Your products don't appear publicly unless you choose to place an ad. Why wouldn't you think it's yours? Everything in the game is designed for you to believe that.

Except then HD throws in these loopholes like LH and leaderboards. So psychologically that feeling of intrusion when someone visits uninvited is real. Whether or not everyone agrees on that point doesn't make it any less real either.

And if anyone wants to be upset at people who only want to cater to their NHs that's not their fault, that's SC's fault. It's SC that decided it would be a good idea to take literally millions of players, separate them into tiny cliques, and then expect that wouldn't have a negative impact on the global community.

Hi Salimyter, I remember reading your longer post in the other thread and being blown away by how insightful, astute, and sharply-articulated it was identifying and describing the psychological dynamic of expectations/messages when it comes to the game, its players and the humble little Roadside Shop. I was a really busy that day, and I put off replying until I lost the post. But now, I want to jump on the chance to applaud your analysis of the situation.

:: ovation :: :o

It's funny, even though I see how the game set-up will lead to these inevitable RSS reactions, I still fall completely in the camp of not wanting uninvited/unknown shoppers in my farm. Sometimes, I see the trap, but there are chocolate chip cookies in the pit, so I jump on in. :o

There are players who play HD with an intensity and single-mindedness that I don't share. It's almost compulsive. Under regular circumstances, that doesn't concern me, and I'd have nothing but benign feelings about how they choose to play.

But when one of these players finds your farm, and finds a way to access your farm over an extended period, and buys almost everything you sell, no matter how you change the frequency or time period of your sale, then it feels incredibly invasive. It's apparent these players have become addicted to visiting your farm hoping for a hit of of a find. In order to buy the way they do, they are hitting up your farm all day every day looking for a fix. And I'm not interested in being turned into someone's personal Hay Day slot machine. It's deeply unpleasant to be exposed to that kind of energy.

When these situations arise, I spend time and energy trying to thwart them. And I spend time and energy in the game trying to avoid them in the first place. And, paradoxically sometimes, when some hyper-intense-shopper gets past my defenses, my repulsion at their behavior actually increases my engagement with the game. (Not always. Sometimes, I just take a break from selling or playing the game at all.) But, I guess energy is energy. And inducing strong feelings in the player -- even negative ones -- can sometimes bind them to the game in unexpected ways.

So, your breakdown of the psychology surround the RSS: it probably is that way by design.

And - even though it may work to a point to stimulate us into playing the game - there's a limit. Anecdotally, I've known quite a few "premium" sellers who have abandoned the game because they just can't take this frustration trap anymore.
March 27th, 2016
haydayforum

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

Quoted for emphasis. (!!!)

Hi Salimyter, I remember reading your longer post in the other thread and being blown away by how insightful, astute, and sharply-articulated it was identifying and describing the psychological dynamic of expectations/messages when it comes to the game, its players and the humble little Roadside Shop. I was a really busy that day, and I put off replying until I lost the post. But now, I want to jump on the chance to applaud your analysis of the situation.

:: ovation :: :o

It's funny, even though I see how the game set-up will lead to these inevitable RSS reactions, I still fall completely in the camp of not wanting uninvited/unknown shoppers in my farm. Sometimes, I see the trap, but there are chocolate chip cookies in the pit, so I jump on in. :o

There are players who play HD with an intensity and single-mindedness that I don't share. It's almost compulsive. Under regular circumstances, that doesn't concern me, and I'd have nothing but benign feelings about how they choose to play.

But when one of these players finds your farm, and finds a way to access your farm over an extended period, and buys almost everything you sell, no matter how you change the frequency or time period of your sale, then it feels incredibly invasive. It's apparent these players have become addicted to visiting your farm hoping for a hit of of a find. In order to buy the way they do, they are hitting up your farm all day every day looking for a fix. And I'm not interested in being turned into someone's personal Hay Day slot machine. It's deeply unpleasant to be exposed to that kind of energy.

When these situations arise, I spend time and energy trying to thwart them. And I spend time and energy in the game trying to avoid them in the first place. And, paradoxically sometimes, when some hyper-intense-shopper gets past my defenses, my repulsion at their behavior actually increases my engagement with the game. (Not always. Sometimes, I just take a break from selling or playing the game at all.) But, I guess energy is energy. And inducing strong feelings in the player -- even negative ones -- can sometimes bind them to the game in unexpected ways.

So, your breakdown of the psychology surround the RSS: it probably is that way by design.

And - even though it may work to a point to stimulate us into playing the game - there's a limit. Anecdotally, I've known quite a few "premium" sellers who have abandoned the game because they just can't take this frustration trap anymore.

While i only minored in psychology, there is one ommission in your analysis i would like to purpose for consideration. That is the point that you are choosing to consider the actions of others invasive, assigning motives to others-i.e. that they are looking for some kind of fix. When someone buys me out over and over, then they are simply buying me out. I decide what to put up for sale, i decide the price, i decide the frequency. That is the only control i have. Wanting more control that that will lead to the frustration. As of now, players do not have that. For those who want control, at this point, their best option is to not visit other farms. That is a valid choice. To keep visiting other farms, and then get frustrated when the other comes shopping is . . . Illogical. I do not think it is more than that. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.
March 27th, 2016
SchmittFarm

As a new player, I have looked through any RSS I can gain access to, because I thought that was how the game is played. I am sure I have botched trades, but I had no clue Until I spent some time reading the forums and saw this thread. I had no idea that someone only wanted certain people to buy the stuff... I thought if you put it for sale its fair game... you really think the tons of people that sign up for this game every day have a clue there is educate to shopping in somenes RSS? The game is not intended for you to isolate your core group and keep the others out, it is made for mass amounts of people to all share and play a farming game.

Maybe if our NH grows beyond the limits of normal communication I will feel your pain.
March 27th, 2016
LetTheMusicPlay

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Originally Posted by haydayforum

While i only minored in psychology, there is one ommission in your analysis i would like to purpose for consideration. That is the point that you are choosing to consider the actions of others invasive, assigning motives to others-i.e. that they are looking for some kind of fix. When someone buys me out over and over, then they are simply buying me out. I decide what to put up for sale, i decide the price, i decide the frequency. That is the only control i have. Wanting more control that that will lead to the frustration. As of now, players do not have that. For those who want control, at this point, their best option is to not visit other farms. That is a valid choice. To keep visiting other farms, and then get frustrated when the other comes shopping is . . . Illogical. I do not think it is more than that. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.

HayDayForum, when I say it feels invasive, I mean it feels invasive to me. That's my authentic response to what has happened to me in the past and what is happening to me currently.

Someone blasts Katy Perry in an apartment building because they love Katy Perry and enjoy her music. They have no evil motives (only exceptionally bad taste in music.) But that sound carries through the building, and an ER doctor working a nightshift can't sleep because of the music. A writer that works from home can't meet her deadline. That music - played without any negative motives - is still a nuisance. Motive is moot.

Regardless, in my current case, there's objective support for me to characterize their behavior as "invasive" as I've written them asking them to cut back on how frequently they shop at my farm. They did not. After I disconnected my farm from theirs, they decided to follow me. I deleted them, and yet they continue to shop via the last helpers tab. Boy, do I regret giving their boat two of my last lobster pizzas a few days ago. I suppose the game enables them to behave this way. But I feel quite comfortable calling these acts of disrespect invasive.

But even this were a case of a stranger, I would still label the feeling that it gives me of being one of invasion. It's inappropriate, HDF, the way you often ask your fellow forumers to undermine and invalidate their own feelings and reactions to the game.... in the interest of your vision for what's appropriate. It's not fair. I've often seen you get into scrapes because of it, and I've wanted to stand up for you sometimes, but I couldn't, because I could see your initial approach to the situation was fundamentally disrespectful.

I could reflect your critique back at you. I could treat your reactions as unacceptable or even illogical. For instance: it seems to cause you considerable discomfort to see the game criticized. It's illogical to be frustrated because somebody holds an opinion different from yours or reacts in a way that you wouldn't -- all over a video game. If players aren't entitled to criticize the game, how can you be entitled to criticize your fellow forumers? Perhaps you should apply your own techniques of rationalization, denial, and minimization to your own antipathy toward game criticism.

The action of repeatedly visiting a farm over several days, weeks ... even months, every single day that something is put up for sale, and quickly buying almost everything that is for sale .... no matter what time of day or how rarely or frequently things get posted for sale necessarily means they are chronically and repeatedly visiting that farm in search for these goods. There's an element of compulsion to that kind of behavior, and it's actually quite natural. As a psychology minor, you probably know that variable rewards - like an RSS that seemingly drops premium items at random times - will hook certain Hay Day addicts like a lab rat tapping a lever 24/7 hoping for a random pellet. I'm not imputing motive. I'm accepting the reality of how things happen and facts of psychobiology.

And trust, very few in my position have given these kinds of players the benefit of the doubt as extensively as I have. I joined this forum in search of solutions to avoiding GC friends whose feelings I did not want to hurt. Before I joined this forum, the only term I saw describing that kind of shopping was "raiding" and "stalking." I was the first to call it "enthusiastic shopping." Not that I was the first English speaker ever to pair those words together. But I laugh every time someone actually gives a shout-out to another when it was actually me all along. :smirk:
March 27th, 2016
Daisy1st

I used to get very upset about enthusiastic shoppers and have whined about it in this forum in the past.

I stopped helping farms, but then of course people found me via boat leader board and various events. I do think that the last helpers tab could be shortened to one visit, or 24 hours max and that would stop players who visit a lot.

I realised that I was getting upset over something I had no control over and actually helping people is a big part of why I love Hay Day. So, I combine wheating and helping. On the whole I don't get bothered so much as visitors see a shop full of wheat and don't bother coming back for another look. I fill my shop up with the good stuff at bedtime and the next day it is usually bought by friends, followers and neighbours.
March 27th, 2016
LetTheMusicPlay

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

As a new player, I have looked through any RSS I can gain access to, because I thought that was how the game is played. I am sure I have botched trades, but I had no clue Until I spent some time reading the forums and saw this thread. I had no idea that someone only wanted certain people to buy the stuff... I thought if you put it for sale its fair game... you really think the tons of people that sign up for this game every day have a clue there is educate to shopping in somenes RSS? The game is not intended for you to isolate your core group and keep the others out, it is made for mass amounts of people to all share and play a farming game.

Maybe if our NH grows beyond the limits of normal communication I will feel your pain.

Hey SchmittFarm, speaking for myself... I am absolutely not trying to dictate, educate, or even change the way other players interact with RSSes -- unless they're former game friends/neighbors whom I've communicated with directly and privately. There, I make the request, and if they can't/won't accept it, then we part ways.

What I'm doing in this thread is giving voice to my frustrations about the game. And not so much in this thread, but in many others, I've asked for help from Supercell. Make the last helpers' tab optional. Allow us to make our RSS stalls "invisible" to certain players. SC is the one who has the power to make this better for many many players. Not the player base. I'm sure lots of players love having their RSSes bought out by strangers, friends, neighbors, etc. Just as many players dislike it - under certain circumstances. I don't expect millions of players to adjust according to my preferences.

I want SC to give us the tools to fix it according to our preferences.
March 28th, 2016
MooiPlaas

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

The game is not intended for you to isolate your core group and keep the others out, it is made for mass amounts of people to all share and play a farming game

Who decided what the game was/is/will be intended for? SC, in their wisdom, enabled core groups when they created neighborhoods. They certainly can't now complain if some wish to keep them elite (for whatever reason).

If your intention is to have a completely open farm, then that's lovely.... for you. It is as valid a way to play as is any other (within the TOS). If my intention is to run a closed shop then I am not harming anybody else's intentions. So why do some folk get their knickers in a twist?

"to all share"? No, no, no! I buy my diamonds and waste my time for ME!
March 28th, 2016
SchmittFarm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MooiPlaas

Who decided what the game was/is/will be intended for? SC, in their wisdom, enabled core groups when they created neighborhoods. They certainly can't now complain if some wish to keep them elite (for whatever reason).

If your intention is to have a completely open farm, then that's lovely.... for you. It is as valid a way to play as is any other (within the TOS). If my intention is to run a closed shop then I am not harming anybody else's intentions. So why do some folk get their knickers in a twist?

"to all share"? No, no, no! I buy my diamonds and waste my time for ME!

Fair enough, I guess I didn't realize recluse was such a popular playing style.
March 28th, 2016
Salimyter

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

:: ovation :: :o

Thanks, LTMP. :o

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Fair enough, I guess I didn't realize recluse was such a popular playing style.

Introverts and extroverts exist in gaming just as they do in real life. For every person who prefers to play socially there's probably one who doesn't. That's why features like this one are so polarizing.

And just a side note but what starts out as a viable gaming strategy can quickly turn into an exploit. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it was intended. Remember the DD trick or tapping outside of lockboxes? It took awhile for SC to fix those, mods even frequently recommended the lockbox trick, but when they finally were fixed SC came out and officially said they were exploits even though they'd been part of the game for a long time.

Truth is we don't know if LH is performing as intended. And actually my guess is that it's not. Someone will have to refresh my memory but I seem to remember LH was a player requested feature and the way SC implemented it is not what the players had in mind. I think it was supposed to be a brief window of opportunity to help someone who helped you. Not a two-week, unfettered, one-way shopping spree for the helpee.
March 28th, 2016
LynnK2015

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Originally Posted by LetTheMusicPlay

...Hi Salimyter, I remember reading your longer post in the other thread and being blown away by how insightful, astute, and sharply-articulated it was identifying and describing the psychological dynamic of expectations/messages when it comes to the game, its players and the humble little Roadside Shop. I was a really busy that day, and I put off replying until I lost the post. But now, I want to jump on the chance to applaud your analysis of the situation.

:: ovation :: :o

I tried to find Salimyter's post by looking at the profile, but Salimyter's posts are available only from the present through May 2015.

Salimyter, if possible, please provide link to your illuminating post because I missed it. Thank you.
March 28th, 2016
Salimyter

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Originally Posted by LynnK2015

Salimyter, if possible, please provide link to your illuminating post because I missed it. Thank you.

If it's not the one in this thread it might be this one?

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...08#post6772208

I'm not sure if I posted about the psychological aspects of the game before that. That post goes a little bit more into how HD cultivates that feeling of "MINE!" from the get go which works in conflict with other systems in the game as well as against basic human nature.

BTW, I'm still disappointed Nick never answered pitchfork's question and it was a new question. I didn't mean to derail it and would've really liked to have seen the answer.
March 28th, 2016
LynnK2015

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Originally Posted by LynnK2015

...Salimyter, if possible, please provide link to your illuminating post because I missed it. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Salimyter

If it's not the one in this thread it might be this one?

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...08#post6772208

I'm not sure if I posted about the psychological aspects of the game before that. That post goes a little bit more into how HD cultivates that feeling of "MINE!" from the get go which works in conflict with other systems in the game as well as against basic human nature.

Thank you Salimyter for the link. Like LTMP, I was planning to reply to your post but didn't have time that day so I forgot about it. Your insight about the feeling of "Mine" is spot on, IMHO and I'm bookmarking it for future reference.

When we start playing, we are in total control and decide what to grow, how often to grow it, and what to sell in our shops. But the feeling of control is illusory the moment we sell our goods unadvertised as we realize there are several ways players can buy from us against our wishes.

Sadly, I realize there is no expectation of privacy so I must accept that aspect of HD or stop playing because selling goods is an essential part of the game for me. I accept the following unfavorable outcome: When I put some bolts in my shop unadvertised for a hoodmate, an outsider may be watching my shop patiently and buy the bolts before the intended recipient may do so.

I don't like to relinquish control, but I accept it grudgingly for now and will think of ways to overcome your intransigence about this issue, Team Hay Day.

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Originally Posted by Salimyter

BTW, I'm still disappointed Nick never answered pitchfork's question and it was a new question. I didn't mean to derail it and would've really liked to have seen the answer.

Though Nick didn't answer pitchfork's question about the Last Helper Tab, he answered yours about 3 weeks ago:

"We have said it on several occasions - we don't have any plans to change the behaviour of it for now. It is a feature we from time to time revisit but no concrete plans on what we will do, can do, or want to do. Not to mention when. Thus it is on the 'ruled out' list..."

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post6766004

Thank you OP for starting the thread and thank you Mod Squad for your patience and indulgence for allowing the controversial discussion to continue for the past four days.
March 29th, 2016
Salimyter

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Originally Posted by LynnK2015

Though Nick didn't answer pitchfork's question about the Last Helper Tab, he answered yours about 3 weeks ago:

"We have said it on several occasions - we don't have any plans to change the behaviour of it for now. It is a feature we from time to time revisit but no concrete plans on what we will do, can do, or want to do. Not to mention when. Thus it is on the 'ruled out' list..."

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post6766004

That wasn't an answer. I followed up that response too which was ignored because it wasn't a "new" question.

It doesn't tell me if the devs are actually happy with how LH is or if they care that it causes a lot of players a lot of distress. Why do they think discouraging players from helping others is a good idea? Why do they think discouraging players from selling products so they don't get raided is a good idea? WHY did they come to the decision to not do anything about LH at all?

And what specifically is it about 2 weeks? Why that timeline? Why can't or won't it be changed?

THAT is what I wanted answered, not "we looked at it and decided not to do anything" which doesn't tell me anything more than a bullet point on the ruled out list does.
March 29th, 2016
SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?
March 29th, 2016
Sparkly888

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?

Some people do and I'm not sure why but it's just as possible that those greyed out crates of goods were sold only moments before you got there.

I have filled my shop, placed an ad on, say, carrots. And come back moments later and see that everything has sold but the carrots. People might be thinking that I have left those crates there for days or weeks. But I haven't. I generally clear my stand soon after its sold.
March 29th, 2016
GladeMaid

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?

It has suggested that they do it so that it looks like they sold a lot of ems, that you just missed buying, in the hope that you will be fooled into following them in the hope that they sell these things often. They then can check your farm out to see if you will be useful to them.

Another suggested reason is on is they do it so farmers who see their RSS will "like" their farm.

Perhaps they just wish to show that they have so many coins, they don't need to collect them from their RSS.

Personally, I think the first suggestion is the most likely.
March 29th, 2016
SchmittFarm

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Originally Posted by GladeMaid

It has suggested that they do it so that it looks like they sold a lot of ems, that you just missed buying, in the hope that you will be fooled into following them in the hope that they sell these things often. They then can check your farm out to see if you will be useful to them.

This is what I thought, I have noted what is there and some crates do stay exactly the same for long periods of time.
Also, they don't seem to post any good stuff in the crates they do change. Both back up your answer.
March 29th, 2016
deegee

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?

My theory is they leave these items up as bait to get people to follow them so they have a bigger pool to shop from.
March 29th, 2016
daz258

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?

As others have said, it would be some players who sold goods and just haven't collected their coins; I can only think of it as trolling. Making you think you missed out on some goods. Fishing for likes & followers.

I have a couple on my friend list who seem to always do this, I think I might delete them from GameCenter. It's just plain annoying.
March 29th, 2016
snakiddy

The tofu doggers are the worst, IMO. eta: the cloche hatters are right behind!
March 29th, 2016
Mitzimitz

I have been reading this thread with interest.
i have never really had a problem with so called raiding until last week. I was trying to help a person in my NH by selling LEM cheap to them and someone "swiped" them. They then followed my farm and bought everything I sold so i sold nothing for the whole week. They have now unfollowed me.

i had some choices I could have made. I could have deleted her or I could continue to let her buy everything I sold or do nothing, so I did nothing.

I couldn't careless if so one raids me or swipes a trade or cheap goods meant for someone in my NH. THIS IS THE GAME!!

I try not to raid my GC friends or last helpers or people in the DD but if it is for sale I will buy it if I want it!!!
i do try to stick to biting one or two goods as I feel I have great GC friends and I don not want to upset them.

I love gong back and helping people on the Last Helpers List when I can. It is my way of saying thanks. I probably rarely buy from them. Often I have seen they need help, their shop has or is being cleaned out and all they want is for someone to water their poor little tree or bush so I go and do it for them. I have picked up some lovely followers by doing this.

the point is that there is no such thing as " they bought all my goods I had for sale" in Hay Day. If you don't want people to buy them, simple, don't sell them. Or alternatively sell by unchecking the advertisement button.

i do not always advertise goods for sale and most of my GC friends know as does my NH, drop by and check. You just never know what you might find for sale and please BUY IT. RAID my stall!!! Take everything!!!!!
Good grief that is the point I am selling it so if you want it TAKE it
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by SchmittFarm

Since we are talking about the RSS and why it is used in certain ways, why do some people leave a bunch of sold expansion items in their RSS for days, or weeks.... I have seen people that only sell in a small handful of crates, the rest are stale sold items. Is there a reason for this?

I have been fooled in to following a farm that had shed loads of expansion items that I had "just missed out on". Weeks later and their rss was set up exactly the same way! I suspect they were "follower gatherers" and I have seen a few farms do this since. Generally high level farms .... Maybe they have nothing else to do apart from see how many followers they can collect :)

I hadn't factored in the whole them using your farm though...... That would be a rather clever way of making sure you have lots of farms to help or pillage when ever you need.
March 29th, 2016
Poochini

I play solo, but, since I stated that I help people and people help me, that it would be understood that I have followers and I follow people, up to the imposed limit outside of FB and gc. I'm also a nh of 1, and derby every week. I'm in the expert league, been there for 2 months, or so, and I am at level mid 50s.

I pick up followers from people that help me, and I choose whom to follow, all based solely on the dd. I put stuff in my RSS and don't advertise, good stuff, too. Until I need room or need help, that's when I advertise.

I have been watching over the past few days, paying attention to who buys what. It seems that a few of my followers snap up bolts, candles, other premium items. The same people buying really doesn't bother me.

I understand the want to sell specific things to specific people. But it seems silly to get all over rought about the RSS doing what it does, which is sell stuff. IIt's limited in its scope. That's the way it is.

I follow a person, I think they are Russian. I have followed him for a long time, he sells a lot of expansion items, and I buy a lot from him. I buy only what I need because of storage, but I have cleaned him out once or twice, in addition to getting only a few things, once or twice. He hasn't booted me, so, I assume he knows that, since he is 50 levels above me, that I have a lot of land to open. He buys from me, too.

But now I wonder if he sits there, all angry at me, because I buy what he sells, lol.
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I follow a person, I think they are Russian. I have followed him for a long time, he sells a lot of expansion items, and I buy a lot from him. I buy only what I need because of storage, but I have cleaned him out once or twice, in addition to getting only a few things, once or twice. He hasn't booted me, so, I assume he knows that, since he is 50 levels above me, that I have a lot of land to open. He buys from me, too.

But now I wonder if he sits there, all angry at me, because I buy what he sells, lol.

Awww I wouldn't have thought so as he would have deleted you by now. He's probably very pleased you take them off of him and offer him good stuff in return. Once you have expanded all your farm the LEM materials just clog your barn up and if I didn't have neighbours after them I would advertise them. Im sure the items you sell are equally appreciated
March 29th, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I follow a person, I think they are Russian. I have followed him for a long time, he sells a lot of expansion items, and I buy a lot from him. I buy only what I need because of storage, but I have cleaned him out once or twice, in addition to getting only a few things, once or twice. He hasn't booted me, so, I assume he knows that, since he is 50 levels above me, that I have a lot of land to open. He buys from me, too.

But now I wonder if he sits there, all angry at me, because I buy what he sells, lol.

This is a common refrain from folks when these threads pop up. People become afraid to shop, concerned about offending or angering others while playing the game the way it was DESIGNED. :(

My advice: Play your game your way, in the way that makes you happy, and that conforms to the official game rules.

I would not worry about abiding by unofficial player-imposed or forum-made-up rules, UNLESS (1) you know about them and (2) you want to abide by them.

Just play Hay Day the way it was designed, and have fun.

It's nice to respect others -- but the game rules do not REQUIRE it and have not been designed to FACILITATE it. For example: We cannot make our farms private, or limit anyone from buying more than 3 crates per shop visit. We cannot opt out of appearing on the leaderboards, or help without being on a Last Helpers tab.

For better or for worse, without disrespecting or diminishing anyone's opinions or feelings expressed here, this is the way the game was designed. I think we can expect that the basic game mechanics with respect to the shops will not change much.

People across the globe play HD, and the vast majority of them do not know of and/or cannot read these forums. They therefore have no idea about what we have collectively spent 15 forum pages discussing. Those folks don't and can't ever know about "raiding" or trading or gifting -- all forum/Facebook group-made-up activities.

Deciding to honor known shopping wishes of others is the personal choice of each player. I choose to respect wishes when I know about them, but I don't have to if I don't want to. It's what I do because it makes my game more pleasant.

At its heart, Hay Day is a simple and pleasant farming game, now with elements of horse racing. Just play Hay day and have fun!
March 29th, 2016
Poochini

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Originally Posted by VickyD

Awww I wouldn't have thought so as he would have deleted you by now. He's probably very pleased you take them off of him and offer him good stuff in return. Once you have expanded all your farm the LEM materials just clog your barn up and if I didn't have neighbours after them I would advertise them. Im sure the items you sell are equally appreciated

Hello, VickyD,

I hope so. This thread is the first I have heard about this raiding thing, and I truly hope that I haven't annoyed anyone.

I have a follower that checks on me and waters stuff several times a day, and I do the same for them. We have filled all 3 crates on each others boats before, and I will actually give them things that I wouldn't to someone I am not familiar with, like my last ice cream or 3 jams. I think that he is actually a support farm for his main account, I can't know for sure because we have never spoken.

It's a neat relationship that develops with people when you solely communicate like this. I like this person, based solely on my interactions with him, in this setting.

And my RSS is stocked with good stuff, when I get a new machine, I wear it OUT. And I like the coin from candy bars, and I like knowing that someone I don't know stumbled onto it, whether from the dd or just dropping in. I like it when it happens to me, that YAY I GOT THAT COOL THING THAT NEVER HAPPENS lol.
March 29th, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by Poochini

Hello, VickyD,

I hope so. This thread is the first I have heard about this raiding thing, and I truly hope that I haven't annoyed anyone.

See above: Life is short, play Hay Day and be happy. :)

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I have a follower that checks on me and waters stuff several times a day, and I do the same for them. We have filled all 3 crates on each others boats before, and I will actually give them things that I wouldn't to someone I am not familiar with, like my last ice cream or 3 jams. I think that he is actually a support farm for his main account, I can't know for sure because we have never spoken.

It's a neat relationship that develops with people when you solely communicate like this. I like this person, based solely on my interactions with him, in this setting.

I had a Russian follower WELL before NHs. I think he LIVED at my farm. He bought every crate of 10 coin wheat I put up for sale, then turned around and put it is HIS shop for 36 coins.

I'd go and buy all my wheat back, put it in my shop for 1 coin, and he'd come buy it all again. Rinse and repeat. :)

I'd put other things in my shop in these wheat exchanges, but he always skipped over those. OK, I thought -- you're a wheat guy. Have more wheat!

I was always happy to see him in my shop, but at the time before NH, I couldn't do anything to reach out to him apart from buying my wheat from his shop and selling it back to him for 1 gold -- LOL.

This went on for several weeks.

One day, he stopped coming around. I went to his farm. The name was changed to "Bye Perky TY $$$". :(

Aren't these gaming relationships interesting?
March 29th, 2016
Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.
March 29th, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.

HS -- I hope you will post this also in the Ideas and Feature Requests section.

It will be interesting to see of you get different feedback there from others who are not reading this thread here. :)
March 29th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

HS -- I hope you will post this also in the Ideas and Feature Requests section.

It will be interesting to see of you get different feedback there from others who are not reading this thread here. :)

Thx Perky, but I'm not too familiar with that neck of the woods :p Grats on becoming a new GASP btw :)
March 29th, 2016
Poochini

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

See above: Life is short, play Hay Day and be happy. :)

I had a Russian follower WELL before NHs. I think he LIVED at my farm. He bought every crate of 10 coin wheat I put up for sale, then turned around and put it is HIS shop for 36 coins.

I'd go and buy all my wheat back, put it in my shop for 1 coin, and he'd come buy it all again. Rinse and repeat. :)

I'd put other things in my shop in these wheat exchanges, but he always skipped over those. OK, I thought -- you're a wheat guy. Have more wheat!

I was always happy to see him in my shop, but at the time before NH, I couldn't do anything to reach out to him apart from buying my wheat from his shop and selling it back to him for 1 gold -- LOL.

This went on for several weeks.

One day, he stopped coming around. I went to his farm. The name was changed to "Bye Perky TY $$$". :(

Aren't these gaming relationships interesting?

That is really interesting. And odd. :)

My followING of people changes regularly, since I have so few slots. I follow lower levels while they sell dairy and sugar, and when they stop, I move onto someone else.

My followers don't change much. If someone catches a duct tape, or something similar, I have noticed that they follow for a while, I think just checking to see if they will pick up more of those type items. It seems like if they don't see them hourly, they drop me, lol.

The person I was speaking about, I actually started that relationship when they were really low level, when they were selling dairy and sugar. They followed me right back.

It was like that, until they dropped me from their list. So, I dropped them, too. I have so few slots, it wasn't prudent for me to keep them since they were leveling up.

The next day, they were back following me. And we have been non-speaking-farm-besties ever since, lol.
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by Poochini

Hello, VickyD,

I hope so. This thread is the first I have heard about this raiding thing, and I truly hope that I haven't annoyed anyone.

I have a follower that checks on me and waters stuff several times a day, and I do the same for them. We have filled all 3 crates on each others boats before, and I will actually give them things that I wouldn't to someone I am not familiar with, like my last ice cream or 3 jams. I think that he is actually a support farm for his main account, I can't know for sure because we have never spoken.

It's a neat relationship that develops with people when you solely communicate like this. I like this person, based solely on my interactions with him, in this setting.

And my RSS is stocked with good stuff, when I get a new machine, I wear it OUT. And I like the coin from candy bars, and I like knowing that someone I don't know stumbled onto it, whether from the dd or just dropping in. I like it when it happens to me, that YAY I GOT THAT COOL THING THAT NEVER HAPPENS lol.

I have found the odd gem hidden behind a tofu dog advert.... It Made my day! Usually all I find is eggs and wheat which is great for me as I never produce these things. I'm officially a hoarder and I love to help with boats but being in a big active hood means I do tend to support these first. Truthfully though I do try to avoid helping in paper as I like to limit traffic through my farm. Maybe the whole NH thing has caused the closed community vibe? If I wasn't saving stuff (helps and items) for my hood I wouldn't care who bought my stuff or watered my trees lol :) I do from time to time have a good clear out and if my NH don't buy it I advertise it. I'm thinking of doing scorched earth next week so my RSS could become quite the gold mine.
March 29th, 2016
Gertie777

My thought

I have filled many a crate, maintaining a "sweet" position on LB! I hope anyone not willing to help refrains from requesting help!
Personally, I've never cared if I'm raided or not. If it's for sale, I don't want it!
i just sold 609 planks, 200 screws & 1000 TEMs @ default. One person bought all of it! Bet he's trading now, lol!
March 29th, 2016
ilovehayday

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.

This is an interesting idea. I too would find it interesting to see what others say.

I made a suggestion to a thread over in IFR the other day about being able to opt-out of being on the LH tab. Some use the LH tab to repay help and/or to visit farms faster. But others don't like it and want it gone. Being able to opt-out might help solve the issue for the latter group, without causing much disturbance to the former group.

It would cause issues though for those wanting to return (for any reason) to someone's farm only to find the player is opted out. But this might be preferable (as in cause less problems and unhappiness) to what we currently have in place. Just a guess though. I don't know how people might react to it.

Anyways, it's there on page 1 or 2.

Oh and just go start a thread over there. As long as it's not on the must read sticky you're good. :p LOL.
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.

Ahhh ahhh you see I wouldn't mind and I'm pretty sure most people in big, active NH wouldn't mind but I suspect the sole players and small NH peeps might miss it. From what I have read it seems that they like the feature as it means they can easily access farms to help and be helped and to shop. Much like a huge NH I guess? My POV is that I like my traffic limited to my NH. As I don't need to look outside of this community the help tab is for me useless and unwanted.

how about an option to turn it off?
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

See above: Life is short, play Hay Day and be happy. :)

I had a Russian follower WELL before NHs. I think he LIVED at my farm. He bought every crate of 10 coin wheat I put up for sale, then turned around and put it is HIS shop for 36 coins.

I'd go and buy all my wheat back, put it in my shop for 1 coin, and he'd come buy it all again. Rinse and repeat. :)

I'd put other things in my shop in these wheat exchanges, but he always skipped over those. OK, I thought -- you're a wheat guy. Have more wheat!

I was always happy to see him in my shop, but at the time before NH, I couldn't do anything to reach out to him apart from buying my wheat from his shop and selling it back to him for 1 gold -- LOL.

This went on for several weeks.

One day, he stopped coming around. I went to his farm. The name was changed to "Bye Perky TY $$$". :(

Aren't these gaming relationships interesting?

that is very strange! Lol. Do you think he was sincere or taking the mick?
March 29th, 2016
Poochini

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Originally Posted by VickyD

I have found the odd gem hidden behind a tofu dog advert.... It Made my day! Usually all I find is eggs and wheat which is great for me as I never produce these things. I'm officially a hoarder and I love to help with boats but being in a big active hood means I do tend to support these first. Truthfully though I do try to avoid helping in paper as I like to limit traffic through my farm. Maybe the whole NH thing has caused the closed community vibe? If I wasn't saving stuff (helps and items) for my hood I wouldn't care who bought my stuff or watered my trees lol :) I do from time to time have a good clear out and if my NH don't buy it I advertise it. I'm thinking of doing scorched earth next week so my RSS could become quite the gold mine.

I can understand that.

A few days ago, I was flipping through the dd, and accidentally tapped on a wheat ad. I was immediately irked at the loss of a few seconds, until.............

THE AD OPENED AND OMG THERE WAS SUGAR AND BUTTER!!!!! AND CREAM!!!!

I think I almost broke my finger, tapping like mad woman.
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

Oh and just go start a thread over there. As long as it's not on the must read sticky you're good. :p LOL.

lol... Do u think the mods are rolling their eyes and saying " are they STILL going on about this"!? "It's been days and 16 pages"! It's strange that Nick hasn't been near recently.... Do you think we have put him to sleep?XD
March 29th, 2016
VickyD

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I can understand that.

A few days ago, I was flipping through the dd, and accidentally tapped on a wheat ad. I was immediately irked at the loss of a few seconds, until.............

THE AD OPENED AND OMG THERE WAS SUGAR AND BUTTER!!!!! AND CREAM!!!!

I think I almost broke my finger, tapping like mad woman.

I know right! It's these occasions that make my DD shopping oh so enjoyable. That and 1 coin corn...10 corns for 1 coin! Kerching!
March 29th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

This is an interesting idea. I too would find it interesting to see what others say.

I made a suggestion to a thread over in IFR the other day about being able to opt-out of being on the LH tab. Some use the LH tab to repay help and/or to visit farms faster. But others don't like it and want it gone. Being able to opt-out might help solve the issue for the latter group, without causing much disturbance to the former group.

It would cause issues though for those wanting to return (for any reason) to someone's farm only to find the player is opted out. But this might be preferable (as in cause less problems and unhappiness) to what we currently have in place. Just a guess though. I don't know how people might react to it.

Anyways, it's there on page 1 or 2.

Oh and just go start a thread over there. As long as it's not on the must read sticky you're good. :p LOL.

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Originally Posted by VickyD

Ahhh ahhh you see I wouldn't mind and I'm pretty sure most people in big, active NH wouldn't mind but I suspect the sole players and small NH peeps might miss it. From what I have read it seems that they like the feature as it means they can easily access farms to help and be helped and to shop. Much like a huge NH I guess? My POV is that I like my traffic limited to my NH. As I don't need to look outside of this community the help tab is for me useless and unwanted.

how about an option to turn it off?

Players playing solo can follow 10 farms now as oppose to 5 previously. Players in small NHs, I'm assuming have GC and FB friends but decide a small NH meets there needs. I have no data to back up the percentage of players truly playing solo with no GC friends or FB friends, I'm guessing it's a very small percentage, if anything. I, too, am curious if they would be bothered by the "change". Would it really affect their gameplay? An option to turn on/off, opt in/opt out could also work. Regardless of how it's done, it might be something which could finally put these threads to rest for the very last time.
March 29th, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by VickyD

that is very strange! Lol. Do you think he was sincere or taking the mick?

I think he was sincere -- he was very low level and he liked to buy coin-intensive decorations for his farm.

With over 5 million coins at that point, he could have a ton of mine, no problem . . . . LOL
March 29th, 2016
PerkyCox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haystacker

Players playing solo can follow 10 farms now as oppose to 5 previously. Players in small NHs, I'm assuming have GC and FB friends but decide a small NH meets there needs. I have no data to back up the percentage of players truly playing solo with no GC friends or FB friends, I'm guessing it's a very small percentage, if anything. I, too, am curious if they would be bothered by the "change". Would it really affect their gameplay? An option to turn on/off, opt in/opt out could also work. Regardless of how it's done, it might be something which could finally put these threads to rest for the very last time.

But -- THEN what would we discuss ad nauseum? LOL

I think the discussion here has been productive and illuminating.
March 30th, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Players playing solo can follow 10 farms now as oppose to 5 previously. Players in small NHs, I'm assuming have GC and FB friends but decide a small NH meets there needs. I have no data to back up the percentage of players truly playing solo with no GC friends or FB friends, I'm guessing it's a very small percentage, if anything. I, too, am curious if they would be bothered by the "change". Would it really affect their gameplay? An option to turn on/off, opt in/opt out could also work. Regardless of how it's done, it might be something which could finally put these threads to rest for the very last time.

Trust me, they would find something else to kvetch about. LOL. 🤓
March 30th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

But -- THEN what would we discuss ad nauseum? LOL

I think the discussion here has been productive and illuminating.

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

Trust me, they would find something else to kvetch about. LOL. 🤓

Actually, I find threads like these to be fascinating. People who normally wouldn't post come out of the woodwork to give their 2 cents. We're able to learn words like "kvetch". SC might actually finally realize it's an issue that can no longer be ignored and possibly work on an improvement in the future. What's not to like?

Think of it this way, every major complaint thread i.e. Too much maps in the DD, not enough axes, no diamond confirmation button, derby task log, bots, etc were all discussed to death. SC heard our pleas and finally did something about it. It improved this game for everyone and this game is what it is now because of those improvements. I don't see why this issue would be any different.
March 30th, 2016
bender018

What I was wondering about:
Why can't we visit a farm which buys stuff from our RSS (we see them anyways) but we can visit a farm which helped us? I don't see the big difference. First ones get our stuff, second ones get a voucher. Maybe someone has an idea why these two types are treated differently.

Let's say, someone filled all my boat crates and I want to give a "thank you" in return, I can go to his/her farm and shop or help. When I want to take a glimpse at someones farm who just bought all my thousand red hats (just an example) I filled my RSS with, so I can buy something from him/her as a "thank you", I just can't.

I really like the mentioned idea of SC introducing an opt in/out button for the last helpers tab.
March 30th, 2016
WillieBDare

Quote:

Originally Posted by bender018

What I was wondering about:
Why can't we visit a farm which buys stuff from our RSS (we see them anyways) but we can visit a farm which helped us? I don't see the big difference. First ones get our stuff, second ones get a voucher. Maybe someone has an idea why these two types are treated differently.

Let's say, someone filled all my boat crates and I want to give a "thank you" in return, I can go to his/her farm and shop or help. When I want to take a glimpse at someones farm who just bought all my thousand red hats (just an example) I filled my RSS with, so I can buy something from him/her as a "thank you", I just can't.

I really like the mentioned idea of SC introducing an opt in/out button for the last helpers tab.

I've always wish for the same thing.
March 31st, 2016
Tomville

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Originally Posted by Poochini

That is really interesting. And odd. :)

My followING of people changes regularly, since I have so few slots. I follow lower levels while they sell dairy and sugar, and when they stop, I move onto someone else.

My followers don't change much. If someone catches a duct tape, or something similar, I have noticed that they follow for a while, I think just checking to see if they will pick up more of those type items. It seems like if they don't see them hourly, they drop me, lol.

The person I was speaking about, I actually started that relationship when they were really low level, when they were selling dairy and sugar. They followed me right back.

It was like that, until they dropped me from their list. So, I dropped them, too. I have so few slots, it wasn't prudent for me to keep them since they were leveling up.

The next day, they were back following me. And we have been non-speaking-farm-besties ever since, lol.

Here is my similar story of those lovely connections... I was about level 35 and found a farm in DD selling nice things, I followed her and would go visit, help and buy a few more things, help some more etc. She was level 45, this was before neighbourhoods came. A week after I followed her, she followed me back. And we have been visiting each other that way ever since at least once a week, following each other, helping more than buying mostly, with the occasional unnecessary purchase of just the 10 wheat to signal "hey I was here, thinking of you, all the best". I sure cheered when I saw she had made level 100, just after I did. And now she's level mumblety mumble and I am a few ahead, omg we are getting hayday old together, someone park us on the porch together in the sun with a blanket on our knees. Anyhow, purely by accident - as I only ever knew the farm name before - I found her on Facebook 4 months ago, by recognising her profile picture on someone else's page, and learnt her name and where she was from (Elly, Japan!) and friended her there. My own non-speaking-farm-bestie!
March 31st, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by tomville

here is my similar story of those lovely connections... I was about level 35 and found a farm in dd selling nice things, i followed her and would go visit, help and buy a few more things, help some more etc. She was level 45, this was before neighbourhoods came. A week after i followed her, she followed me back. And we have been visiting each other that way ever since at least once a week, following each other, helping more than buying mostly, with the occasional unnecessary purchase of just the 10 wheat to signal "hey i was here, thinking of you, all the best". I sure cheered when i saw she had made level 100, just after i did. And now she's level mumblety mumble and i am a few ahead, omg we are getting hayday old together, someone park us on the porch together in the sun with a blanket on our knees. Anyhow, purely by accident - as i only ever knew the farm name before - i found her on facebook 4 months ago, by recognising her profile picture on someone else's page, and learnt her name and where she was from (elly, japan!) and friended her there. My own non-speaking-farm-bestie!

great story!!! ❤️❤️❤️
March 31st, 2016
Poochini

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomville

Here is my similar story of those lovely connections... I was about level 35 and found a farm in DD selling nice things, I followed her and would go visit, help and buy a few more things, help some more etc. She was level 45, this was before neighbourhoods came. A week after I followed her, she followed me back. And we have been visiting each other that way ever since at least once a week, following each other, helping more than buying mostly, with the occasional unnecessary purchase of just the 10 wheat to signal "hey I was here, thinking of you, all the best". I sure cheered when I saw she had made level 100, just after I did. And now she's level mumblety mumble and I am a few ahead, omg we are getting hayday old together, someone park us on the porch together in the sun with a blanket on our knees. Anyhow, purely by accident - as I only ever knew the farm name before - I found her on Facebook 4 months ago, by recognising her profile picture on someone else's page, and learnt her name and where she was from (Elly, Japan!) and friended her there. My own non-speaking-farm-bestie!

Thanks for sharing that! I was hoping to hear more stories like it, that's why I keep checking back, lol.

My Russian friend visited me last night, he bought one of the cream coffee drinks, some cotton and a chocolate bar. It's seems that he was ok with me pretty much cleaning him out of ore yesterday, lol. :)
March 31st, 2016
Greebie0

As a young farmer, I was helped by another farm slightly above my level. Jam, probably, which was a big problem then. I followed her and we helped each other for over a year. She figured out how to communicate through her farm name, we chatted that way a lot and we even managed to become gc friends and exchange email adresses. Then NHs were introduced; she became co-leader and the NH filled up with (mostly) her and my followers. She was a lot of fun, even before we could chat in the NH. Sadly, she no longer plays, but two of her followers are still an important part of the NH and very popular co-leaders.

Personally, I'm a fan of the last helpers' list. It allows us to form friendships based on the way we play, rather than on the way we talk. Also, not everybody speaks English and can find friends on this forum.

happy farming
March 31st, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by Greebie0

As a young farmer, I was helped by another farm slightly above my level. Jam, probably, which was a big problem then. I followed her and we helped each other for over a year. She figured out how to communicate through her farm name, we chatted that way a lot and we even managed to become gc friends and exchange email adresses. Then NHs were introduced; she became co-leader and the NH filled up with (mostly) her and my followers. She was a lot of fun, even before we could chat in the NH. Sadly, she no longer plays, but two of her followers are still an important part of the NH and very popular co-leaders.

Personally, I'm a fan of the last helpers' list. It allows us to form friendships based on the way we play, rather than on the way we talk. Also, not everybody speaks English and can find friends on this forum.

happy farming

Another valuable perspective . . . lots of stuff to think about on this thread.
March 31st, 2016
AsYouWish

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

Another valuable perspective . . . lots of stuff to think about on this thread.

Yes, it's a good thread! I haven't helped strangers in the DD since a bad experience a while ago, because of LH. Helping strangers used to be one of my favorite activities in the game; and long before gift cards, I would love helping every farm I could - just for fun (the Santa Claus factor, I suppose).

I finally helped one, today. His farm name made me laugh: "Field_Marshall"
March 31st, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by AsYouWish

Yes, it's a good thread! I haven't helped strangers in the DD since a bad experience a while ago, because of LH. Helping strangers used to be one of my favorite activities in the game; and long before gift cards, I would love helping every farm I could - just for fun (the Santa Claus factor, I suppose).

I finally helped one, today. His farm name made me laugh: "Field_Marshall"

Excuse my ignorance but what is LH?:confused:
March 31st, 2016
AsYouWish

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

Excuse my ignorance but what is LH?:confused:

Someone else used LH, and I :confused: too...
Last Helpers
March 31st, 2016
WillieBDare

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsYouWish

Someone else used LH, and I :confused: too...
Last Helpers

Thx. I tried to bing search it and had found nothing. 🤓 Here's some 💎💎 for you, for being so helpful. :)
March 31st, 2016
ilovehayday

LOL. I had never used "LH" but saw others doing it and thought that was cool. I can save on typing. :smirk:;)

Definitely needs to go in the acronym thread if not there already.
March 31st, 2016
PerkyCox

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

LOL. I had never used "LH" but saw others doing it and thought that was cool. I can save on typing. :smirk:;)

Definitely needs to go in the acronym thread if not there already.

Don't get me started on acronyms -- I was in the Navy. We're the WORST when it comes to acronymical tongue twisters
March 31st, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

LOL. I had never used "LH" but saw others doing it and thought that was cool. I can save on typing. :smirk:;)

Definitely needs to go in the acronym thread if not there already.

I didn't know there was an acronym thread. Never saw it before, but then again, I'm blind. 🤓

As as for short kuts, I usually go to Settings, then scroll down to keyboard. After I open that, I click on text replacement and add it to my list, so when I type "LH", it types "last helper."
March 31st, 2016
LynnK2015

Reciprocity?

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

LOL. I had never used "LH" but saw others doing it and thought that was cool. I can save on typing. :smirk:;)

Definitely needs to go in the acronym thread if not there already.

Good Idea, but I suggest LHT for Last Helper's Tab since it's such a hot button topic.

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.

Haystacker, I have thought about your idea. FYI, here's what I do when farmers help my boat.

1. Go to their farms and help their boats.
2. If I still see exclamation points, then I zoom out and find which plants needed to be revived.
3. Finally, I go to their shops and buy some goods.

Your idea, while fascinating, is incompatible with my playing style whose foundation is reciprocity.
March 31st, 2016
Haystacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by LynnK2015

Good Idea, but I suggest LHT for Last Helper's Tab since it's such a hot button topic.

Haystacker, I have thought about your idea. FYI, here's what I do when farmers help my boat.

1. Go to their farms and help their boats.
2. If I still see exclamation points, then I zoom out and find which plants needed to be revived.
3. Finally, I go to their shops and buy some goods.

Your idea, while fascinating, is incompatible with my playing style whose foundation is reciprocity.

I do the same thing but with friends and followers only. The LH tab is uber useful especially if u have hundreds of friends and followers. No need to scroll down the list to find that specific person. Use the tab to teleport instantaneously to the helper's farm. Personally, I'm a huge fan of it. I find it highly useful...minus the all-access, shop til u drop, uninvited aspect of it strangers seem to highly enjoy. But hey, that's just me.

Don't worry Lynn, it's just an idea which has no legs to it. And I doubt it's something SC is running to implement. Just throwing suggestions out there.
March 31st, 2016
Princessjayjay

don't list items for a while if you know this is going to happen? i like it, my stuff sells quicker
April 1st, 2016
Sparkly888

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haystacker

Hypothetically speaking, if SC decided to relegate the last helpers to friends and followers only in the next update, would anyone really object to that? Think about it, if someone helped u in the DD but u don't have access to go to that person's farm...would it be that big of a deal? U would be grateful that person helped u, u probably wouldn't mind not having access to their shops. Players not helping in the DD as of now would be flocking to the DD to help. Those who need help would be helped, probably at a faster rate. Those who don't want unwanted strangers to drop by would have that peace of mind. All parties involved would be winners. I see no downside to it at all.

I have to say I don't see any downside either.
Have never had any issues with the LHT although clearly many do.
If someone wants any sort of game relationship with a random stranger the Following option is still available. And it doesn't expire.

And rather than helping the person who helped you, you can pay it forward as many times as you like.
April 1st, 2016
Tomville

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haystacker

I do the same thing but with friends and followers only. The LH tab is uber useful especially if u have hundreds of friends and followers. No need to scroll down the list to find that specific person. Use the tab to teleport instantaneously to the helper's farm. Personally, I'm a huge fan of it. I find it highly useful...minus the all-access, shop til u drop, uninvited aspect of it strangers seem to highly enjoy. But hey, that's just me.

Like you, I loved it, until it became unusable due to sheer numbers of followers, who were finding me on event boards and boat board. That was the saddest part, losing the ability to find someone already precious I had longstanding relationship with, like the Elly in my little account earlier. So you can imagine how wonderful it was to get her on the friends tab where I could easily get to her, rather than having her buried so far down that I couldn't visit till she turned up on last helpers.

So it's not the last helper tab I dislike, or the way we can follow farms - I treasure both. They just turn into something unintended sometimes, as in I think unintended by supercell designers I mean. For very many that is through unwanted (and sometimes pretty bad) behaviours of people on that list that the affected farmer doesn't have the power to stop without altering the way they play radically to hide and wait it out. For me it was through depersonalising effect of total numbers, the 20,000 plus newer followers burying Elly and other treasured contacts and who couldn't be removed fast enough to keep up or politely stopped.

So yes, I would add my vote to the idea that people should drop off last helpers faster, were supercell reviewing it. And I would add my vote to a proposal to have options to further control both followers and last helpers like opting out or max follower limits (due to game stability problems also, not just depersonalisation). Though myself, I'd never opt out on last helpers, as I love thanking them for helping me, by either helping back or simply acknowledging by buying that box of the most unloved item they have in shop. If they are equally into me and going to keep my attention then they'll come get those token tofu dogs or that wheat back at some point!
April 1st, 2016
Tilla

No, I have not been stalked for my goods in the rss. Why? I think mine is not good enough. :cool::cool: if someone cleans me out is when I put my goods on purpose for less so I can get ridd off mine harvest tasks goodies. I have cleaned out rss in my younger levels, because I was in need for everything. Now I shop till I drop r items I need. Sometimes by my last helpers, sometime by folowers (but the most off them are at a low level) , mostly from te dd. I stopped cleaning out rss because I have much items on stock and limmited space in the barn.

There will always be things in a game which can be different, but so many players, so many needs and wishes. I only play for my own enjoyment. If there are things I don't like, or want different, I change my own strategy so I can play the game as I want or I just don't do that ellement. There are so many strategies that also differ with which level your have, time you have to play, and which ellements are changed by SC. Just be flexible and enjoy the game.
April 1st, 2016
Tilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by LynnK2015

Good Idea, but I suggest LHT for Last Helper's Tab since it's such a hot button topic.

Haystacker, I have thought about your idea. FYI, here's what I do when farmers help my boat.

1. Go to their farms and help their boats.
2. If I still see exclamation points, then I zoom out and find which plants needed to be revived.
3. Finally, I go to their shops and buy some goods.

Your idea, while fascinating, is incompatible with my playing style whose foundation is reciprocity.

That's the way al also use the last helper tab, to see if I can help. But that's just a few moths I do that. That's what I mean by changing your strategy if you play along. If someone has a low level I will always buy things, because I remember how much need off cash you are as a low level player.

I have one last helper which always helped me and I helped her or him. We always find each other. Now we can have more folowers this player is one off them.
April 1st, 2016
stripe34

Farm in a bubble

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

Oh, IDK. I think if someone wanted to farm in a bubble, one could. ;)

It would be interesting to see too. If anyone has, please start a thread. Curious minds want to learn more! :)

I have a set of baby farms in their own bubble NH. I might just rename it that :-)

It's pretty awesome - I can trade between them, no fear of raiders... I can run the whole NH trains on a cycle right after Eggspress leaves, and only serve the single-serve townies if I want.

You don't miss much except the chat and support of a good NH, which my "big" farm is in.

- Stripe34
HD levels 66 through 34 - six farms so far :-)
Playing since game inception - with a multi-year break in the middle
April 5th, 2016
MooOinkCluck

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Originally Posted by farmerClem

This is me exactly.

It is up to you whether or not you want to help others. I don't expect Supercell to change the game to my liking and hope you do not mind if they do not change it to yours. Many of us enjoy the last helper's tab. Sorry the OP is not one of them. To each their own.

I agree, the last helpers tab is helpful to small hoods, but I don't agree that if I voluntarily help someone that they should take advantage of that help and stalk my rss 24/7 for 3 weeks. The last helpers tab should be optional. We should have the option of whether or not we want to be put on someone's last helpers list if we help them. Some people like it and welcome it, but others don't because some people ABUSE it, and those are the people who ruin the game for everyone else including those who rely on the last helpers list cause the potential to be stalked makes people not want to help others. I enjoy helping people also, but ever since I got 3 lifetime stalkers from it, it has since soured the helping experience for me, and basically soured the whole game entirely. If we had an option to delete these unwanted stalkers then the "helping" part of the game wouldn't be so dreadful to so many, and people would enjoy giving their global hayday neighbors a helping hand again. Please fix this problem supercell. Not everyone enjoys being stalked.
April 5th, 2016
daz258

Recently used Last Helpers for proper reasons, one of my fellow traders has an issue where I can find them; but they cannot find me.

So using Last Helpers to find each other paves the way for successful trading.

But, it certainly doesn't need to stay active for 14 days. I really think it should be a 24 hour only thing. To try return a favour etc.

Not get a free pass to raid an UN-advertised shop for 2 weeks.
April 7th, 2016
WillieBDare

Quote:

Originally Posted by daz258

Recently used Last Helpers for proper reasons, one of my fellow traders has an issue where I can find them; but they cannot find me.

So using Last Helpers to find each other paves the way for successful trading.

But, it certainly doesn't need to stay active for 14 days. I really think it should be a 24 hour only thing. To try return a favour etc.

Not get a free pass to raid an UN-advertised shop for 2 weeks.

If you don't want your name in others Last Helper tab, then stop asking others to help your farm. Fill all you boats by yourself and chop down trees and bushes instead of asking people to refresh them for you. Just because you don't like the Last Helper tab, doesn't mean the rest of us need to be punished because we do. I like it when people have the option to help me farm or buy my products.
April 7th, 2016
Haystacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillieBDare

If you don't want your name in others Last Helper tab, then stop asking others to help your farm. Fill all you boats by yourself and chop down trees and bushes instead of asking people to refresh them for you. Just because you don't like the Last Helper tab, doesn't mean the rest of us need to be punished because we do. I like it when people have the option to help me farm or buy my products.

Umm that's not how it works. Asking others to help ur farm won't get u on someone's last helpers tab. Helping does. U like the option of letting a stranger from the DD stalk ur store uninvited 24/7, others don't...which is why this topic is so controversial after all these years. Until something does gets tweaked, we will continue to stay on opposite sides of this fence.

What punishment are u talking about? Tweaking it to 24 hrs instead of 2 weeks is a great compromise. What do u have to gain from 2 weeks?
April 7th, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Umm that's not how it works. Asking others to help ur farm won't get u on someone's last helpers tab. Helping does. U like the option of letting a stranger from the DD stalk ur store uninvited 24/7, others don't...which is why this topic is so controversial after all these years. Until something does gets tweaked, we will continue to stay on opposite sides of this fence.

What punishment are u talking about? Tweaking it to 24 hrs instead of 2 weeks is a great compromise. What do u have to gain from 2 weeks?

Some farms that help me are pretty active farms. Since I can't friend them because I don't know their GC name and all my follow farm slots are full, I enjoy having the ability via the LH tab to help those farms. And yes, sometimes I buy things from their RSS.

And you answered your own solution. Just don't help other farms. Stay to helping people in your heighborhood, because you can't always have your cake and eat it too.
April 7th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

Some farms that help me are pretty active farms. Since I can't friend them because I don't know their GC name and all my follow farm slots are full, I enjoy having the ability via the LH tab to help those farms. And yes, sometimes I buy things from their RSS.

And you answered your own solution. Just don't help other farms. Stay to helping people in your heighborhood, because you can't always have your cake and eat it too.

I gave my solution 18 pages ago in this thread and started implementing my solution roughly 2 years ago. I don't help anyone in the DD...it sucks, but I've learned to adjust my gameplay. Adjusted my gameplay not to help my fellow farmers in the DD...what's wrong with that picture? And it's not just me it seems, sadly. The 24hr solution can work. U get to continue to do what u do and we can deal with it in a shorter period of time. What's not to like?
April 7th, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

I gave my solution 18 pages ago in this thread and started implementing my solution roughly 2 years ago. I don't help anyone in the DD...it sucks, but I've learned to adjust my gameplay. Adjusted my gameplay not to help my fellow farmers in the DD...what's wrong with that picture? And it's not just me it seems, sadly. The 24hr solution can work. U get to continue to do what u do and we can deal with it in a shorter period of time. What's not to like?

Because you continue to complain and demand for change that not everyone wants. I go with how the game is set up and adapt my play to the way it works for me. I don't constantly rally the flags to beat a dead horse more, thinking that if I keep beating it, the horse will come back to life.

And for everyone's knowledge, you only stay on a person's LH tab until ten other people help that farm. Each time another person helps that farm, you move over one space. The only time you stay there for 2 weeks is if they stop getting help from other farms, which precludes you from being advanced to the end of the line.
April 7th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

Because you continue to complain and demand for change that not everyone wants. I go with how the game is set up and adapt my play to the way it works for me. I don't constantly rally the flags to beat a dead horse more, thinking that if I keep beating it, the horse will come back to life.

And for everyone's knowledge, you only stay on a person's LH tab until ten other people help that farm. Each time another person helps that farm, you move over one space. The only time you stay there for 2 weeks is if they stop getting help from other farms, which precludes you from being advanced to the end of the line.

And u continue to stomp on the slightest bit of complaint that might make this game better as a whole. The Ford Model T was a great car once, the company improved, advanced, adapted...now we have the Ford Shelby Cobra.

Just because a game is the way it is now doesn't mean it's the way it should be. Remember being able to flag all crates not just 3? Remember no diamond confirmation button anywhere? Things can change in a heartbeat. Don't be stuck with what is...
April 7th, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

And u continue to stomp on the slightest bit of complaint that might make this game better as a whole. The Ford Model T was a great car once, the company improved, advanced, adapted...now we have the Ford Shelby Cobra.

Just because a game is the way it is now doesn't mean it's the way it should be. Remember being able to flag all crates not just 3? Remember no diamond confirmation button anywhere? Things can change in a heartbeat. Don't be stuck with what is...

Flagging all crates was before my time, but from a SC stand point, limiting the number of crates you can flag is to their advantage. People are more apt to spend diamonds to call a boat in sooner if them have to send away a bad boat or spend diamonds to fill a crate if they are short just a few items to fill their boat.

As as for the diamond confirmation button, it was said a long time ago that the concept was on the drawing board long before it was designed and implemented, just HD wasn't sure how best to utilize it. Also, it was in HD's best interest, because the pros outweighed the cons. It had to be costing them a great deal of manpower dealing with all the customer service complaints about accidental spending because someone hit a button by mistake and spent diamonds by mistake.

And comparing the Model T to a Shelby is like comparing Apples to Oranges. They are both fruit, but that's all they have in common.
April 7th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

Flagging all crates was before my time, but from a SC stand point, limiting the number of crates you can flag is to their advantage. People are more apt to spend diamonds to call a boat in sooner if them have to send away a bad boat or spend diamonds to fill a crate if they are short just a few items to fill their boat.

As as for the diamond confirmation button, it was said a long time ago that the concept was on the drawing board long before it was designed and implemented, just HD wasn't sure how best to utilize it. Also, it was in HD's best interest, because the pros outweighed the cons. It had to be costing them a great deal of manpower dealing with all the customer service complaints about accidental spending because someone hit a button by mistake and spent diamonds by mistake.

And comparing the Model T to a Shelby is like comparing Apples to Oranges. They are both fruit, but that's all they have in common.

Right. So basically change things to give themselves the business advantage, increase revenues, higher profit margins and all that good stuff. Makes perfect business sense. I don't disagree with that. But how about listening to their players and adapting to their needs from a personal sense. No one is demanding anything to be done...(well maybe some are), but some of us are offering solutions to what can be done to make this longstanding issue go away once and for all. Wouldn't u want that? No more of these types of threads u seem to highly dislike.

I can tell u don't appreciate these types of discussions...but guess what, forums exists for this type of reason. We can go on and on like this, maybe with the slightest chance of hope, SC might finally find a reason to do something about it. Changing it from 2 weeks to 24 hrs won't cause SC to lose any money, it won't slam shut the last helpers tab for players like urself, it will however, be a godsend to those who are annoyed by it. Think outside the box. Think of the collective.
April 7th, 2016
PerkyCox

Good discussion

Good discussion Haystacker and Willie :)

You have both made good points and I am sure the SC PTB are keeping an eye on this thread for ideas and input, as they did with all those Diamond Conformation threads. :)

One day, maybe the workings of the LH tab will be tweaked. I do think the LH tab is useful, but for those for whom it is a 2-week-long trial, I hope relief will come.

:thumbsup:

Time to farm! :) Those derby red berry cakes won't pick themselves up!!
April 7th, 2016
WillieBDare

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Right. So basically change things to give themselves the business advantage, increase revenues, higher profit margins and all that good stuff. Makes perfect business sense. I don't disagree with that. But how about listening to their players and adapting to their needs from a personal sense. No one is demanding anything to be done...(well maybe some are), but some of us are offering solutions to what can be done to make this longstanding issue go away once and for all. Wouldn't u want that? No more of these types of threads u seem to highly dislike.

I can tell u don't appreciate these types of discussions...but guess what, forums exists for this type of reason. We can go on and on like this, maybe with the slightest chance of hope, SC might finally find a reason to do something about it. Changing it from 2 weeks to 24 hrs won't cause SC to lose any money, it won't slam shut the last helpers tab for players like urself, it will however, be a godsend to those who are annoyed by it. Think outside the box. Think of the collective.

I don't know where you live, nor am I asking. I believe in the free enterprise system. To change something because a small minority wants it, (I say small majority, because this forum has 1,147,306 members. So only a handle full have asked for this change.) is not serving the majority of the players who haven't asked for any change. You can ignore the number of members because it encompasses the membership for 4 different games, but it just a fraction of the world wide players.

Additionally, since you don't know the inner workings of SC and it's P&L, nor I, you can't say with any certainty that SC will or won't lose money by making your suggested change. Changing the algorithm could cause major conflict issues and the programmers time cost money, where their attention is best served elsewhere. Therefore, I am thinking of the collective.
April 7th, 2016
Haystacker

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

I don't know where you live, nor am I asking. I believe in the free enterprise system. To change something because a small minority wants it, (I say small majority, because this forum has 1,147,306 members. So only a handle full have asked for this change.) is not serving the majority of the players who haven't asked for any change. You can ignore the number of members because it encompasses the membership for 4 different games, but it just a fraction of the world wide players.

Additionally, since you don't know the inner workings of SC and it's P&L, nor I, you can't say with any certainty that SC will or won't lose money by making your suggested change. Changing the algorithm could cause major conflict issues and the programmers time cost money, where their attention is best served elsewhere. Therefore, I am thinking of the collective.

I live in the home of the brave, the land of the free. I, too, believe in free enterprise system. Greed is good - Gordon Gekko. But let me ask u this, if somehow SC tweaks it...how would u feel about it? Would ur gameplay truly be affected to a standstill? Would u quit the game because of it? Or would u be glad it finally was resolved and SC listened to our concerns? A concern only a handful of us had the courage to speak up to. How many people are out there who are bothered by this but are afraid to speak up fearing their thoughts might be trashed and trivialized? How many of those people actually speak the English language to convey their thoughts on a forum like this? Probably many more? Who knows. What I do know is a thread 20 pages long on a topic that surfaces again and again is something SC might wanna look into.

I would love for the programmers to set aside some time to address something that is gameplay related rather than to waste their resources on minor cosmetic changes to the game that no one asked for.
April 10th, 2016
Salimyter

To suggest that players shouldn't rally for change is ridiculous. If that never happened a lot of games would be missing a lot of great features. Devs don't always play certain features enough to experience what's wrong with them or learn how they could be made better so player feedback is very important.

Also if you want to use the post sampling here then you're looking at a 50-50 love-hate at BEST so I don't get this "minority" argument. I actually haven't seen that many people argue in favor of keeping LH as it is, even the people who like it have suggested reducing the time. This topic has come up repeatedly since I started HD almost 3 years ago so pretty much ever since LH was even added it's been a problem.

Whether you agree with it or not it's an aspect of the game that causes a lot of negativity either way. It's in SC's best interest to keep its players happy and this is obviously something that is making many UNhappy and has for a very long time. We don't know how many players have quit over it and even if they didn't we don't know how many player's gaming experience has been soured, or caused them to resort to playing in a way they dislike, or otherwise not taking part in features of the game because they keep backfiring on them. I can't imagine that's intended, to cause people to basically be bullied into not taking part in every aspect of the game.

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