I stopped helping people in paper.

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I play solo, no GC or FB. I do a lot of helps, and a lot of people help me.

I had no idea about "raiding". I just assumed that, if an item is posted for sale, that it actually is for sale, not just to specific people.

If I get a crate filled, I go out of my way to watch that farm for a bit to return the favor of filling something on their boat, if I can. And I usually can. And if I see something that needs watering, I water it.

I don't know that I have ever cleaned out an entire shop. I have had people do that to me, and, oddly enough, I didn't think "oh, these greedy people, coming in here, buying everything. How greedy, paying for things I am selling, well, how RUDE." I put things in those boxes, someone is going to buy it, first come first serve.

This whole conversation is just odd. Feeling taken advantage of because people have the nerve to purchase what is being publicly sold? Strange.

I only comment to say that if I have ever offended someone by buying what is being sold, then apologies. I truly wish that those that are so sensitive and offended by people buying things had the ability to put up a sign saying so.

I promise that if a farm was named something like DO NOT BUY UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY GAVE YOU PERMISSION, I would not buy a thing, or help you, either. Maybe that's an idea for any sensitive folks?

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You mis understand what this thread is about. This is about people stalking the players who helped them. Stealing trades and emptying stores. Some players want to keep their produce only for the people they feel selling to. To thank the people they follow and for their neighborhood. It includes deleting some random followers, so there wouldn't be unwanted buyers. If I want to sell produce to everybody I put an ad up. Which I do daily. But for example in our neighborhood after doing mining we share the ores. Because some people collect tools for the mining task, we support each other this way. Sometimes I want to do a neighborhood sale, only to my neighbors. It is possible if I don't help people in DD. But I want to help people on DD. I really enjoyed it. But I can't do that anymore. It's very risky, because I can get a stalker who will empty my store. To the people who are in active big neighborhoods and for those who do trades, this feature is a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by unknown4ya

You mis understand what this thread is about. This is about people stalking the players who helped them. Stealing trades and emptying stores. Some players want to keep their produce only for the people they feel selling to. To thank the people they follow and for their neighborhood. It includes deleting some random followers, so there wouldn't be unwanted buyers. If I want to sell produce to everybody I put an ad up. Which I do daily. But for example in our neighborhood after doing mining we share the ores. Because some people collect tools for the mining task, we support each other this way. Sometimes I want to do a neighborhood sale, only to my neighbors. It is possible if I don't help people in DD. But I want to help people on DD. I really enjoyed it. But I can't do that anymore. It's very risky, because I can get a stalker who will empty my store. To the people who are in active big neighborhoods and for those who do trades, this feature is a nightmare.

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To avoid the stalkers in a trade, don't put any ad in the paper for at least 10 mins, then do the trade. I find I rarely have stalkers, maybe 1 in every 25 trades I might have a stalker around.

Fill your rss with wheat also helps.

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

Last Farmers You Helped would be nice but it's pretty useless if their stalls always empty or littered with junk. Only allow ur friends and followers to be on the last helpers tab. That should solve a lot of problems.

Why would SC concentrate their man power on useless Tom animations and Barbie doll machines rather than focus on something that is gameplay related and has been a major pain in the donkey's behind for many players for years, is my question.

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My question, Haystacker, is... If we are not supposed to have any control over what happens to our goods once they are placed in the RSS, why did SC give us the option to advertise, or not? It seems to me that deciding NOT to advertise is exercising a right to maintain some control. The last helpers make a mockery and nonsense of this.

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Originally Posted by Tomville

Thanks folks, visit anytime. This is unexpectedly sweet, as complaining about the social connectedness I felt I had lost so much of ended up bringing some back!

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This post warmed my heart! For me, the cooperative and social aspect of Hay Day has always been one of the things I liked about this game the most. I started before NHs, and well remember the days when folks had to be very lucky (or use an app like kik) to be able to direct specific goods to a specific other player.

While I understand the perspective of those who have said that they like to reserve their shops only for NH members, and I empathize with those who have been bedeviled by what Tigger calls "enthusiastic shoppers," I also have always believed that once an item is put in the shop for sale, it's open to anyone and everyone to buy one, none, or all.

That does not mean I have no compassion for those who feel afflicted, or disagree with those who wish the Boat Leaderboard/Event Recent Contributors/Last Helpers tab would go away or be modified.

In my view, one of the best aspects of Hay Day is its wide-open style. Anyone who downloads Hay Day can play their game their way, in the way that makes them happy, AS LONG AS they do not violate any of the SC TOS (automating, etc). And in mY years in the forum, over and over it's the player-devised "rules" that have generated the most discussion and sometimes toxic postings here.

"Raiding", (or if you prefer "enthusiastic shopping")-- what it is/isn't, why it happens/how it can't happen, how it should/should not be stopped, what SC could/would/should or should not do about it -- has always been one of the hottest topics on this forum, going back to the very beginning. I think it's good to see thoughtful reasoned posts on this subject, just so everyone can understand the perspective of the other side.

And I will also say this: this thread has gone on longer than I expected, given how quickly some of the "raiding" threads of old were shut down. That's a testament to the good measured discussion here.

Speaking only for myself, I do respect shop names of "please only buy 3," even when an ad has been placed. But that's just the way I play: that's certainly not anything that I think should be binding on everyone else, especially when an ad is placed on that shop. Remember this is a global game and folks who don't speak English can't ever get that message.

Please also bear in mind that only a tiny percentage of Hay Day players even know about the forum, and therefore will never see this thread, participate in this discussion, or even be aware of the feelings expressed here about the RSS.

That's why I personally approach my shop with the attitude of buy one, none, or all -- that attitude works for me and how I play my game. But I also like to be tolerant of the playing styles of others, when I become aware of them. Now it's time to have fun playing Hay Day!! :)

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Originally Posted by MooiPlaas

My question, Haystacker, is... If we are not supposed to have any control over what happens to our goods once they are placed in the RSS, why did SC give us the option to advertise, or not? It seems to me that deciding NOT to advertise is exercising a right to maintain some control. The last helpers make a mockery and nonsense of this.

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MooiPlaas, we have total control of what we sell. Once we place an ad in the paper, our RSS is for all to see. If we decide not to place an ad, it's safe to assume we don't want our RSS to be public. The issue is having helped someone in the DD, now that person has access to our shop when we don't want them to. It's a one way street...they can come to us but we can't go to them. Control is lost for 2 weeks once u helped in the DD.

We can unfriend friends, we can delete followers. We have total control with that. Being on a stranger's last helpers tab? Fuggedaboutit.

Those who rarely sell or sell nothing but wheat probably has no issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

MooiPlaas, we have total control of what we sell. Once we place an ad in the paper, our RSS is for all to see. If we decide not to place an ad, it's safe to assume we don't want our RSS to be public. The issue is having helped someone in the DD, now that person has access to our shop when we don't want them to. It's a one way street...they can come to us but we can't go to them. Control is lost for 2 weeks once u helped in the DD.

We can unfriend friends, we can delete followers. We have total control with that. Being on a stranger's last helpers tab? Fuggedaboutit.

Those who rarely sell or sell nothing but wheat probably has no issue with it.

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It wouldn't be a game if it didn't have some sort of uncontrollable conflict in the game. Otherwise, we could play out a strategy and let a robot play out the game for us.

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Originally Posted by WillieBDare

It wouldn't be a game if it didn't have some sort of uncontrollable conflict in the game. Otherwise, we could play out a strategy and let a robot play out the game for us.

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The control I'm employing is not helping in the DD. I have absolute control over that. It shouldn't be this way because finding those bushes and filling those crates had always been a rush for me and enjoyable part of the gaming experience...but the unnecessary stress that comes along with it out weighs the benefits.

It's something SC needs to seriously consider, given this topic comes up again and again. This thread might get closed. A month later, a new one will pop up. It's like clockwork.

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Originally Posted by Haystacker

MooiPlaas, we have total control of what we sell. Once we place an ad in the paper, our RSS is for all to see. If we decide not to place an ad, it's safe to assume we don't want our RSS to be public. The issue is having helped someone in the DD, now that person has access to our shop when we don't want them to. It's a one way street...they can come to us but we can't go to them. Control is lost for 2 weeks once u helped in the DD.

We can unfriend friends, we can delete followers. We have total control with that. Being on a stranger's last helpers tab? Fuggedaboutit.

Those who rarely sell or sell nothing but wheat probably has no issue with it.

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I couldn't agree more. Thanks for bringing my thoughts to words. :)
It seems that it's especially a problem for those who sell often, cheaper, or more valuable goods. Yesterday I deleted nearly all of my followers, so I can see more easily when someone comes to my shop (while the goods are unadvertised).

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Originally Posted by Poochini

I play solo, no GC or FB. I do a lot of helps, and a lot of people help me.

I had no idea about "raiding". I just assumed that, if an item is posted for sale, that it actually is for sale, not just to specific people.

If I get a crate filled, I go out of my way to watch that farm for a bit to return the favor of filling something on their boat, if I can. And I usually can. And if I see something that needs watering, I water it.

I don't know that I have ever cleaned out an entire shop. I have had people do that to me, and, oddly enough, I didn't think "oh, these greedy people, coming in here, buying everything. How greedy, paying for things I am selling, well, how RUDE." I put things in those boxes, someone is going to buy it, first come first serve.

This whole conversation is just odd. Feeling taken advantage of because people have the nerve to purchase what is being publicly sold? Strange.

I only comment to say that if I have ever offended someone by buying what is being sold, then apologies. I truly wish that those that are so sensitive and offended by people buying things had the ability to put up a sign saying so.

I promise that if a farm was named something like DO NOT BUY UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY GAVE YOU PERMISSION, I would not buy a thing, or help you, either. Maybe that's an idea for any sensitive folks?

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Poochini, because you play solo, and presumably do not belong to a neighbourhood, I can see that you would not understand the issue. Many, many people place items in their RSS, but do not advertise them, so do not consider them posted for sale to the general public, but only available to their neighbours and friends. It's a symbiotic, communal shopping arrangement amongst a group of people known to each other. So, when someone who is not a neighbour or friend, but is some random stranger they helped via the DD buys out their entire shop, and does this repeatedly over the fortnight they remain on their Last Helpers tab, they feel their good deed is being repaid by opportunistic greed.

I think everyone pretty much agrees that if something is actually advertised in the DD, anyone is entitled to buy as much as they want.

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Originally Posted by PerkyCox

This post warmed my heart! For me, the cooperative and social aspect of Hay Day has always been one of the things I liked about this game the most. I started before NHs, and well remember the days when folks had to be very lucky (or use an app like kik) to be able to direct specific goods to a specific other player.

While I understand the perspective of those who have said that they like to reserve their shops only for NH members, and I empathize with those who have been bedeviled by what Tigger calls "enthusiastic shoppers," I also have always believed that once an item is put in the shop for sale, it's open to anyone and everyone to buy one, none, or all.

That does not mean I have no compassion for those who feel afflicted, or disagree with those who wish the Boat Leaderboard/Event Recent Contributors/Last Helpers tab would go away or be modified.

In my view, one of the best aspects of Hay Day is its wide-open style. Anyone who downloads Hay Day can play their game their way, in the way that makes them happy, AS LONG AS they do not violate any of the SC TOS (automating, etc). And in mY years in the forum, over and over it's the player-devised "rules" that have generated the most discussion and sometimes toxic postings here.

"Raiding", (or if you prefer "enthusiastic shopping")-- what it is/isn't, why it happens/how it can't happen, how it should/should not be stopped, what SC could/would/should or should not do about it -- has always been one of the hottest topics on this forum, going back to the very beginning. I think it's good to see thoughtful reasoned posts on this subject, just so everyone can understand the perspective of the other side.

And I will also say this: this thread has gone on longer than I expected, given how quickly some of the "raiding" threads of old were shut down. That's a testament to the good measured discussion here.

Speaking only for myself, I do respect shop names of "please only buy 3," even when an ad has been placed. But that's just the way I play: that's certainly not anything that I think should be binding on everyone else, especially when an ad is placed on that shop. Remember this is a global game and folks who don't speak English can't ever get that message.

Please also bear in mind that only a tiny percentage of Hay Day players even know about the forum, and therefore will never see this thread, participate in this discussion, or even be aware of the feelings expressed here about the RSS.

That's why I personally approach my shop with the attitude of buy one, none, or all -- that attitude works for me and how I play my game. But I also like to be tolerant of the playing styles of others, when I become aware of them. Now it's time to have fun playing Hay Day!! :)

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This is one of the best posts here. Well said. I do still wish Super Cell would weigh in on this subuject.