Mounting Hidden Teslas on walls

The Hidden Tesla's ingame description refers to it as "sneaky," an attribute that the tower lacks quite a bit due to its telltale 2x2 grassy foundation. From experience, I can say that the Tesla is mostly regarded as a 2x2 archer tower, which I think is unfortunate. The space it occupies, although relatively small, is very conspicuous--even more so to experienced players--and really waters down the defense structure's vitality as it completely nullifies its element of surprise.

I'm pretty sure the developers intended it to serve the role of a trump card--something slightly devious and cunningly emplaced as the potent trick up your sleeve; I feel that it is meant to be the secret weapon only you know about. The Tesla really has potential as a truly exciting component of the game, but in its current state, it is quite invisible but shockingly (pun-intended) easy to locate. I understand that maybe the Tesla's unique 2x2 square allows for the "empty castle ploy," but that's really inconsequential to the game holistically and is just overlapping with the petty mindgames bombs and traps can achieve.

That being said, I would like to propose what's already imparted in the title: allowing an individual wall unit to support the tesla, effectively eliminating the Tesla's obvious landmark. This doesn't require too much visual design adjustment as the developers can just scale it down and use the clever illusion they created for the spell factory's spoon--applying it to the wooden trapdoor-ish opening. With a wall as a pedestal, the Tesla can then be placed with newfound freedom and truly be a "sneaky tower" with "electrickery" that actually tricks. This is just how I think this issue needs to be addressed and feedback is very much welcome. Thanks for reading!

Great idea.

Even more relevant given the new defences and resources that now require walls with the latest update.

Interesting idea!

I'm thinking in terms of hidden zapping tesla that only zap troops that uses the jumping spells LOL

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Originally Posted by simontay78

Interesting idea!

I'm thinking in terms of hidden zapping tesla that only zap troops that uses the jumping spells LOL

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Oh eh, it's Simon Tay. Fan of yours. Nice idea.

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Originally Posted by simontay78

Interesting idea!

I'm thinking in terms of hidden zapping tesla that only zap troops that uses the jumping spells LOL

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Yeah, something like an electric fence wouldn't be a bad idea either. I just feel that the tesla is something that integrates very well with walls. And as you've shared, the walls themselves can definitely be more diversified--with various add-ons--to create an even more dynamic game. The direction Supercell is heading seems very promising to me, and enhancing the roles of walls might just be what Clash of Clans needs to become a wholesome and well-rounded gameplay experience.

If you only have as many 2x2 spaces in your base as teslas, then you are wasting them, make fakeout spaces so they have to guess where tesals are

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Originally Posted by Mikazzi

If you only have as many 2x2 spaces in your base as teslas, then you are wasting them, make fakeout spaces so they have to guess where tesals are

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Yes, that is what I was referring to as the "empty castle ploy," and in addressing it, mentioned that it's inconsequential because bombs and traps already allow for the same type of mind games; players percieve random empty spaces with a cautious mindset regardless of whether or not it potentially hosts a tesla. The empty castle ploy is also logstically wasteful--from what I've observed of the top 50 villages--and doesn't proved optimal solvency to the tesla's inadequate element of surprise. Basically, the ploy is gambling on the attacker's caution while requiring the player to accommodate random 2x2 areas.

Furthermore, the ploy as a solution to the tesla's circumstances waters down on the players' creativity in conceiving optimal defenses. This is the case with almost any setup-based solution to a unit's inadequacy or imabalance. For instance, if players did not have storages and could only store their resources in the collectors themselves, then the players must configure their village defenses to best accommodate all 14 collectors, which is clearly not optimal and forces players into creating a certain model of defense just to address the absence of storages--there would be less creativity; the optimal solution to this hypothetical predicament would be for the developers to add storages into the game. The empty castle ploy is the corresponding subject of our hypothetical scenario; it is setup-based mitigation for the tesla's inadequacy as a building unit. As such, it is not as optimal as tweaking the tesla's current state. Thank you for your input, though.

Just a thought: I think it would make sense to visually simplify the mounted Tesla into just the electrode springing from the top of the wall when activated, as opposed to the whole pylon jutting out--nothing crucial; trying to give a better picture of how it can work out.

Agreed, the Tesla needs to be truly sneaky!
Mark

That is a great idea. But i think you have totally discounted the effectiveness of the tesla. Even though attackers can guess where it is to a certain degree of accuracy due to the 2x2 give away, you have not taken into account of the randomness of attackers. Which targets they would strike, which way they go. I think a good defender can build a base as such that it still able to surprise troops and maximise its effectiveness. Also the randomness of attackers would not ensure total failure in their part.

However with all that said i would like to say that the wall defence is a brilliant idea, heaps of new defence types for sure can and would be able to spawn from this alone. Already previous posts have added to it with electric fences etc.

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Originally Posted by Sinos

Even though attackers can guess where it is to a certain degree of accuracy due to the 2x2 give away, you have not taken into account of the randomness of attackers. Which targets they would strike, which way they go. I think a good defender can build a base as such that it still able to surprise troops and maximise its effectiveness. Also the randomness of attackers would not ensure total failure in their part.

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I think I get what you mean. I understand that it's impossible to outright know where the next attacker will launch his assault, but I feel that the Tesla, as its own structure, seems a bit lackluster. Basically, the Tesla is almost comparable to a cannon as of now because it doesn't have an effective ability that distinguishes it as a unique defensive structure. Imagine introducing a new chess piece into the game that does the exact same thing as a knight, but is always required to be translucent, so that it might be overlooked by an opponent every now and then; there is nothing about this hypothetical "new" piece that constructively contributes to the game, except a bit more strain on the players' observational skills--something that doesn't conform to the essence of the game and really has no merit as its own piece.

So, it might be a good idea to transform the Tesla into something that accentuates what the developers may have been going for (but perhaps failed to deliver). That is to say, the Tesla should be revamped into something actually unique and not just a cannon in disguise. Like you said, the mentality of an attacker can be unpredictable. So why not give the defenders an equal opportunity to be unpredictable as well? Wouldn't it be a nice balance? Rather than knowing everything the defender has in store for him, the attacker would then be faced with the hidden, potentially tide-turning factor of "electrickery," which is as unpredictable to the attacker as the attacker is to the defender. And that is the true challenge of any human conflict; no general, king, president, chief, CEO, hacker, gang leader, board of directors, etc. can have comprehensive knowledge of what their impending adversaries are capable of. It's a very exciting element of life, and of course, of games. A new Tesla can only make this game even better, imo.

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Originally Posted by Tardigrade

I think I get what you mean. I understand that it's impossible to outright know where the next attacker will launch his assault, but I feel that the Tesla, as its own structure, seems a bit lackluster. Basically, the Tesla is almost comparable to a cannon as of now because it doesn't have an effective ability that distinguishes it as a unique defensive structure. Imagine introducing a new chess piece into the game that does the exact same thing as a knight, but is always required to be translucent, so that it might be overlooked by an opponent every now and then; there is nothing about this hypothetical "new" piece that constructively contributes to the game, except a bit more strain on the players' observational skills--something that doesn't conform to the essence of the game and really has no merit as its own piece.

So, it might be a good idea to transform the Tesla into something that accentuates what the developers may have been going for (but perhaps failed to deliver). That is to say, the Tesla should be revamped into something actually unique and not just a cannon in disguise. Like you said, the mentality of an attacker can be unpredictable. So why not give the defenders an equal opportunity to be unpredictable as well? Wouldn't it be a nice balance? Rather than knowing everything the defender has in store for him, the attacker would then be faced with the hidden, potentially tide-turning factor of "electrickery," which is as unpredictable to the attacker as the attacker is to the defender. And that is the true challenge of any human conflict; no general, king, president, chief, CEO, hacker, gang leader, board of directors, etc. can have comprehensive knowledge of what their impending adversaries are capable of. It's a very exciting element of life, and of course, of games. A new Tesla can only make this game even better, imo.

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You make a lot of exellent points though if I were to compare the Tesla with another defensive item it would be more like the X-bow. They are both ground and air, DPS for both at their peak is 75. Keep in mind the Tesla will reveal itself after 50% of your village has been attacked. Placement of the Telsa's can be rather tricky, I suppose if you were to work your village in such a way that one would have no idea, you would want them to strike first.

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Originally Posted by Petejet60

You make a lot of exellent points though if I were to compare the Tesla with another defensive item it would be more like the X-bow. They are both ground and air, DPS for both at their peak is 75. Keep in mind the Tesla will reveal itself after 50% of your village has been attacked. Placement of the Telsa's can be rather tricky, I suppose if you were to work your village in such a way that one would have no idea, you would want them to strike first.

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Ah, yeah... The X-bow is probably a better comparision (I don't have one--th8, so I never made the connection), but what do you mean by "you would want them to strike first"? Do you mean to say that Teslas, if completely undetectable until activation, when be more effective as the first line of defense? I always thought Teslas were more effective as support structures, supplementing weaknesses with their short range and picking off light units while the attacks are focused on other defenses.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback. This topic may be of little interest to many because it seems like a very minute change and is certainly no excitingly radical proposition, but I think it's an essential step toward a more diverse, well-rounded range of defense structures.

brilliant idea. it would also help with base design

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Originally Posted by Tardigrade

The Hidden Tesla's ingame description refers to it as "sneaky," an attribute that the tower lacks quite a bit

due to its telltale 2x2 grassy foundation. From experience, I can say that the Tesla is mostly regarded as a 2x2 archer tower, which I think is unfortunate. The space it occupies, although relatively small, is very conspicuous--even more so to experienced players--and really waters down the defense structure's vitality as it completely nullifies its element of surprise.

I'm pretty sure the developers intended it to serve the role of a trump card--something slightly devious and cunningly emplaced as the potent trick up your sleeve; I feel that it is meant to be the secret weapon only you know about. The Tesla really has potential as a truly exciting component of the game, but in its current state, it is quite invisible but shockingly (pun-intended) easy to locate. I understand that maybe the Tesla's unique 2x2 square allows for the "empty castle ploy," but that's really inconsequential to the game holistically and is just overlapping with the petty mindgames bombs and traps can achieve.

That being said, I would like to propose what's already imparted in the title: allowing an individual wall unit to support the tesla, effectively eliminating the Tesla's obvious landmark. This doesn't require too much visual design adjustment as the developers can just scale it down and use the clever illusion they created for the spell factory's spoon--applying it to the wooden trapdoor-ish opening. With a wall as a pedestal, the Tesla can then be placed with newfound freedom and truly be a "sneaky tower" with "electrickery" that actually tricks. This is just how I think this issue needs to be addressed and feedback is very much welcome. Thanks for reading!

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Teslas are already extremely powerful as they are. I vote against this idea.

I love the idea and I was thinking about ways that it could work and if it was plausible. It is, but I came up with a question that may make it OP.

How would it be destroyed?

If its mounted on a wall then would the wall itself (probably 2000+ hp) have to be destroyed? or would it be like a "defence in the air", only able to be destroyed by things that can attack air units (archers/dragons...)? or if it ground units can attack it, would it have to destroy the tesla before even beginning to destroy the wall?

I couldn't come to a conclusion as to how it would work.

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Originally Posted by TJPride

Teslas are already extremely powerful as they are. I vote against this idea.

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This is not a proposition to buff the Tesla's DPS. If your concern is in the Tesla's potency as a hidden weapon, then consider the following...

The Tesla doesn't deviate too much from the Archer Tower or Cannon too much in it abilities; it can be regarded as an Archer Tower sacrificing range for DPS, or as a Cannon sacrificing range for damage against air. Suffice it to say, if you can agree that neither the Archer Tower nor the Cannon is OP, then you can probably agree that the Tesla is reasonable balanced on the unit damage-effectivity front. Therefore, you probably find the Tesla's "extreme" power in a trait above its parity with the Archer Tower and Cannon--so, its invisibility.

Now, if you think the Tesla is already impossible to locate due to its invisibility, then simply eliminating its occupation of ground doesn't make any more concealed or more powerful; if you are of the opinion--as I am--that its positioning is obvious when effectively emplaced, then it is no more powerful than an Archer tower or a Cannon and is a fairly redundant unit with no vitality of its own, thereby teleologically unconstructive to the game. This, I've been over in my chess analogy: [Imagine introducing a new chess piece into the game that does the exact same thing as a knight, but is always required to be translucent, so that it might be overlooked by an opponent every now and then; there is nothing about this hypothetical "new" piece that constructively contributes to the game, except a bit more strain on the players' observational skills--something that doesn't conform to the essence of the game and really has no merit as its own piece.]

TL;DR If you think the Tesla is already hidden enough, then hiding it more won't hurt, because hoping your attacker won't notice a 2x2 square is hardly the essence of the game's stragetic nature; if you think the Tesla is quite noticeable, then you can just regard it as a merely an Archer Tower with less range, which is hardly "extremely powerful," because the only distinctions between the abilities of an Archer Tower and a Tesla are 10 DPS and visibility.

My point isn't to buff the Tesla, but to give an idea of how the Tesla can actually fulfill a constructive and dynamic role in the game, as opposed to bearing almost complete parity with other defense structures. I feel the Tesla has the potential to offer a great deal more and is restricted by its little 2x2 square. Thank you for your feedback.

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Originally Posted by camdawg

How would it be destroyed?

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It can be treated by the unit A.I.'s as any other building, falling into the same algorithms of priority and vulnerable to the same units as any other structure. As for its relationship with the wall hosting it, I guess both the wall and its Tesla can simultaneously take damage. Or maybe the Tesla must be destroyed first for the wall to be susceptible to attack unless in contact with a wall-breaker detonation or goblin assault, in which case only the wall is affected until it is destroyed, leaving its Tesla supported only by a small pylon and a few wires that cannot impede troops while the electrode zaps away... Whatever the developers see fit if this feature is implemented, really. If the Tesla protects the wall, we really don't have an issue in terms of balance as its pretty much the same as leaving a Tesla in front of the wall--distracting the units from destroying the wall first--or behind the wall (if we're addressing its balance in terms of combined HP), as the Tesla is prioritized above other structures as a target (so it still impedes enemy units).

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Originally Posted by Tardigrade

It can be treated by the unit A.I.'s as any other building, falling into the same algorithms of priority and vulnerable to the same units as any other structure. As for its relationship with the wall hosting it, I guess both the wall and its Tesla can simultaneously take damage. Or maybe the Tesla must be destroyed first for the wall to be susceptible to attack unless in contact with a wall-breaker detonation or goblin assault, in which case only the wall is affected until it is destroyed, leaving its Tesla supported only by a small pylon and a few wires that cannot impede troops while the electrode zaps away... Whatever the developers see fit if this feature is implemented, really. If the Tesla protects the wall, we really don't have an issue in terms of balance as its pretty much the same as leaving a Tesla in front of the wall--distracting the units from destroying the wall first--or behind the wall (if we're addressing its balance in terms of combined HP), as the Tesla is prioritized above other structures as a target (so it still impedes enemy units).

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Didnt think of it that way. Thanks for the explanation. I still love the idea and hope they consider it;)

Cool idea.

Perfect idea. This is one of the best ideas i have heard in a long time. Great job!

Many already said this thing. And i think its on sticky

If the tesla is mounted on walls, then destroying the walls equate to destroying the teslas as well? Since it has lost its structural foothold.