Balancing Blog Series: March 2016 Update

Maybe I am wrong! But, I aways think that SC just don't want us to get 70% easily with cheap army in higher leagues.

Also,
"• Battle time limit reduced to be 3 minutes per attack once again
In the TH11 update, we played a bit too cautious with the battle time limits. There were three main reasons why we changed it to 3 minutes and 30 seconds: the play field was expanding, the number of buildings and/or walls had been increasing over many Town Hall levels, and the Eagle Artillery could be tackled by tactical pre-strikes. However, monitoring the situation post-update, it turned out the extra 30 seconds of battle time wasn't really needed. Bringing the time limit back to 3 minutes will help bring back shorter and tighter battles for all players, and was especially requested by the war community."

Any TH10/11 war community request for this?
I understand that TH9 below is extra but Th10/11 30sec is very important.


"• Revenge attacks award Star Bonus and League Bonus rewards
A long requested player feature. Enjoy!"
How about hero in war? thats way longer requested from player. Cheap Company!

As soon as it happened there were threads complaining it would make life easy for n00bs, and they were right.

I know because my mediocre clan all of a sudden went from 2-starring most th9s to 3-starring most th9s, often because that stupid golem and queen had enough time to bang on a wall for awhile before deciding to kill the last 2 defenses.

I'm definitely going to struggle to three star at th9 now, and I am glad. I'm not a whiner who wants life easy I like to be reminded how much better most people are than me.

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Originally Posted by OnyxDS

In what way correct? It seems like very little he mentions in there relates to the changes announced by SC. No change to healers; none of the new troops he talks about. And almost nothing SC have announced is in his post

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His leaks are not referred to a particular update. They're things they'll be implemented sooner or later.
E.g. he leaked dark spells months before they got announced

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Originally Posted by Cryogenics

A company that hates it's community, which it depends on. Hmm, sounds reasonable.

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What else explains why the game has been tanking, dieing a little quicker than it otherwise would. Supercell is notorious for neglecting their community and with terrible communication... .this is nothing new. They took the money and ran.

It is a fact that most people are below average (it's in the definition of average). The irony is those same people don't want to admit it and would rather whine and complain. I have no problem admitting I suck.

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Originally Posted by kkbbm

Define your "very good portion". My question is were there any official poll on this matter? My point is that if you want to change it, just change it. Don't say the "community" ask for it without any solid proof whatsoever.

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Why would they need to provide proof? They said it was requested by the war community, and it was. This is an indisputable fact! They DID NOT state that everyone on the planet requested it. They didn't make any outlandish claim that this was a change that 100% of their people supported.

As I said before - props to Supercell for making a change for the war community.

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Originally Posted by Sammypzv

You're completely wrong mate, the entire th9 war community (so thousands of people) and presumably people below th9 as well were angry about the change. The removal of the 30 seconds is the first step towards making war as great as it can be.

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I think the 30 seconds should have stayed for th10's and 11's.

I'm always open to all updates. So I don't have a problem with this update. Nice update btw.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Why would they need to provide proof? They said it was requested by the war community, and it was. This is an indisputable fact! They DID NOT state that everyone on the planet requested it. They didn't make any outlandish claim that this was a change that 100% of their people supported.

As I said before - props to Supercell for making a change for the war community.

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What townhall are you and how many war stars do you have? Trying to get a sense of how this impacts you.

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Originally Posted by cnaf

You never watched any PowerBang, or OneHive videos? Its very apparent you did not.

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Ash (Clash with Ash) did too... His response to TH11 update was that extra time gave an unfair advantage to TH9.

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Originally Posted by Teras

They just made TH10 harder mate. Your dont need to make th10 more "challenging", you need to make th10 more competetive by making it possible for people dont wanna mod to achive the goal of 3 stars. Theyre basically encouraging fairplay attackers to give up on fair play with this stupidity. Its mind blowing

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Originally Posted by JohnSnow83

Completely agree. TH10's and 11's need plenty of time for a queen walk/kill squad and the cleanup of all those extra buildings if they want to see hybrid 3 star attacks.

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Both of you should just stop your complaining already and play the game they way Supercell intends you to play it... *sarcasm font*

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Originally Posted by Ji3

How about hero in war? thats way longer requested from player. Cheap Company!

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SC needs to make money, and letting heroes usable in wars has the potential to lead to another requests of heroes usable for normal raids while upgrading.

I would like to use them while upgrading, but it would be a bad thing as you think about the income it can generate.

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Originally Posted by ThisIsParlay

Who me links to all these threads from the war community that requested the 30 seconds be nerfed? I"m on the forums almost everyday and I rarely hardly ever see these posts. And not a single th10 or 11 would say that 3 minutes is enough for a solid 3 star attempt

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I've got th11 and th9, 3 mins is plenty. And yes war clans complain a lot about the extra 30 seconds making all kinds of sloppy attacks into 3 stars. It's a super simple fix.

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Originally Posted by JRG18

I don't see it. Our clan hardly uses witches at all and we don't get hit with them very much. Last guy to throw witches at me in war used 12 for one star. If that's what success looks like, then it sounds like many are doing something wrong.
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Doesn't matter. Let me put it like this.

You go to the Chrysler dealership to buy the new Dodge Ram cause it's got the new Hemi in it, it's pushing out the most horsepower in it's class. You pay real money to buy this cause you want the horsepower. You drive it around and it's pretty good, but then two weeks later you get a letter in the mail saying "There has been a mandatory recall on your new vehicle because we now believe it has too much horsepower, and the road can't handle it. We didn't test it properly before we put it out for sale, but sorry you won't get your money back. You can keep your Ram but we need to bring it in and reduce the HP."

Then they say, "Just wait a minute, we've got this new Charger out, not as much HP but it's way lighter so it will go even faster than the Ram we recalled. Just sign here and the monthly payments will start next month!"

Does that make you feel happy as the consumer? How is what SC is doing any different?

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Originally Posted by Oshbeegosh

Ash (Clash with Ash) did too... His response to TH11 update was that extra time gave an unfair advantage to TH9.

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What should have happened is the 3 minutes for th9 or below and 3:30 for th10+

IF supercell was actually listening to the war community this is what would have happened. Instead they used this as an excuse to prolong th10 and 11 three stars, again they are near impossible without extra equipment.

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Originally Posted by ThisIsParlay

What townhall are you and how many war stars do you have? Trying to get a sense of how this impacts you.

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Town hall 9 - roughly 900 war stars. Also - agree with your prior post about keeping the added 30 seconds for TH10 & Th11. Although I am quite happy with the reduced time, this further imbalances the war scene for higher town halls.

They should take witches and pekkas out of the game now.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Why would they need to provide proof? They said it was requested by the war community, and it was. This is an indisputable fact! They DID NOT state that everyone on the planet requested it. They didn't make any outlandish claim that this was a change that 100% of their people supported.

As I said before - props to Supercell for making a change for the war community.

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You agree with the change they did and the "reasoning" they gave. So you kudo them.

And then there are people who happen to war every week and dislike the change. The voice of those people were not heard? The "war community" wanted it? So that community happens to be just a bunch of group who are experts in COC or everybody who like to war every week? Why don't they just tailor the game so that it becomes like 'COC-powerbang' or 'COC-onehive'?

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Originally Posted by hoopstime98

I've got th11 and th9, 3 mins is plenty. And yes war clans complain a lot about the extra 30 seconds making all kinds of sloppy attacks into 3 stars. It's a super simple fix.

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lol 3 minutes is not "plenty" to three star a th10 especially an 11... your statement makes no sense. How could you even argue that 3 minutes is plenty to triple a 10 or an 11 lol

Because of they low hp & dps. Used them every blue moon just for the sake of using them.

There is just too many changes happening in one update for SC to know the effects.

* Nerf Witches and Skeletons
* Remove 30 Seconds of our Attack
* Buff HP for buildings
* Increased DPS for XBow
* Infernos target faster
* Troops run for Poison

I think we are going to get the update and people are going to hate it because it is TOO DIFFERENT. Change a few things at a time and see how it works. I mean they do want things to be balanced. To balance you have to do things slowly. Not just change everything at once and see what works and what doesn't.

I hope they are testing this because we do not need another Dec 15 update freakout.

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Originally Posted by ThisIsParlay

lol 3 minutes is not "plenty" to three star a th10 especially an 11... your statement makes no sense. How could you even argue that 3 minutes is plenty to triple a 10 or an 11 lol

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Because I routinely do it with 45+ seconds left on the clock. It's not enough for bad attackers, it's plenty for those who have good attacks.

I think taking it back to 3min makes sense for th9 and below.10 and 11 should stay at 330. I'm also wondering if this is their way of nerfing QW without actually touching the troops involved.sorta makes sense since the attack itself demands a bit more time to develops.

I like how it is cloaked in the ridiculous notion that it was reverted to three minutes as a response to overwhelming feedback from the community.

So, can anyone link to a thread where people overwhelmingly jumped on the bandwagon to revert battle time to 3:00.

Anyone ...

Bueller ...

As opposed to the countless threads and YouTube videos with specific and actionable ideas which PEOPLE HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY requested.

Freeze Clan Castle (no defense)
Change random MM so trophy offer includes some weight tied to base strength.
Fix C.H.3.A.T.I.N.G

... and on, and on

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Originally Posted by kkbbm

You agree with the change they did and the "reasoning" they gave. So you kudo them.

And then there are people who happen to war every week and dislike the change. The voice of those people were not heard? The "war community" wanted it? So that community happens to be just a bunch of group who are experts in COC or everybody who like to war every week? Why don't they just tailor the game so that it becomes like 'COC-powerbang' or 'COC-onehive'?

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Really hard to have a productive conversation with you, since you take one statement and then twist it to the extreme level.

I am simply stating one thing - the war community DID request this change. People are trying to say that this didn't occur, when it in fact did. And for what it's worth, in response to your last sentence (which again is taking one tiny thing and taking it to an extreme level), this is the first time I can recall Supercell making a change that those youtubers requested.

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Whether I agree with all of the balances or not....most of them are regular complaints from the 'community'.
'Th9 war too easy'
'3:30 too long for th9 and under'
'Double poison OP/boring/kills CC diversity'
'Can't defend against warden'
'Mass witch OP'
Need I go on?

Careful what you wish for.

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But do you really think they need to make ALL these changes in a single update? Feels like its going to be another big mess like Dec 15.

Curious why there still is no Pekka upgrade at TH9, but still 2 upgrades for Pekka at TH10. How's is this viable for a war balance?

It's all well and good shortening spell times, but the biggest time issue by far is the King and queen, how about half the time in those two!

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Originally Posted by Hatchlhoff

Doesn't matter. Let me put it like this.

You go to the Chrysler dealership to buy the new Dodge Ram cause it's got the new Hemi in it, it's pushing out the most horsepower in it's class. You pay real money to buy this cause you want the horsepower. You drive it around and it's pretty good, but then two weeks later you get a letter in the mail saying "There has been a mandatory recall on your new vehicle because we now believe it has too much horsepower, and the road can't handle it. We didn't test it properly before we put it out for sale, but sorry you won't get your money back. You can keep your Ram but we need to bring it in and reduce the HP."

Then they say, "Just wait a minute, we've got this new Charger out, not as much HP but it's way lighter so it will go even faster than the Ram we recalled. Just sign here and the monthly payments will start next month!"

Does that make you feel happy as the consumer? How is what SC is doing any different?

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Comparing a truck to a car...nice. Just so you know, manufacturers actually do what you wrote about. Most recent was the update to the Ram trucks with the Aisin transmission bumping up the torque to 865 ft/lb :thumbsup: I guess it's only a good thing when things get "better" though right?

If you got the letter in the mail you might be dense and trash it and say to yourself "screw that, man!". Then you find yourself in the shop replacing a torque converter, bearings or some other host of problems because your drivetrain wasn't actually rated to the kind of power. I bet even in the shop you'd be blaming the manufacturer instead of yourself even though they're the experts and had superior knowledge.

In any case, Hemi<Cummins.

It seems like every 3 months we have to adapt to a completely new game. It is getting pretty frustrating. The sheer number of changes to adapt to after getting in a groove following the December update is...overwhelming and discouraging. Why so many buffs/nerfs? Just keep it simple.

Mass witches for 3 stars at TH 11/10 is popular because people use stupid box base designs. If bases were designed more effectively it wouldn't be as easy to mass witch for a 3 star. ALL TH levels should not be punished by making witches useless because they are effective against box bases at TH 10+11. And if you feel the need to nerf witches, just make a few tweaks. Don't buff ALL defenses just because of 1 troop, combined with reducing the offensive capabilities of said troop.

I don't want to have to keep adapting to adapted version of the adapted update that was an adapted version of the original. I'm all for moving the game forward, but the constant flip-flopping of updates/troops/features needs to stop. I just got used to creating multi-step war attacks that are complex and FUN, utilizing the extra 30 seconds. Now I have to adapt again only 3 months AFTER IT WAS JUST ADDED!

SC: Sir, which nerf has upset you?

CLASHER: Very much so!

SC: Which nerf?

CLASHER: Yes. You need to fix it.

SC: We need to fix which nerf?

CLASHER: As soon as possible!

SC: You want us to fix a nerf as soon as possible?

CLASHER: Witch nerf

SC: The one you want us to fix!

CLASHER: Witch nerf!

SC: The one that has you so upset!

CLASHER: Witch nerf has me upset!

SC: I don't know, you haven't told me yet.

Any explanation mods sure seems like you are just hiding negative feedback. LAME!!!!!

SC said the war community asked for the removal of the 30 seconds, but they should have said the super elite players asked for that instead.

I play this game almost exclusively for the wars, so yes, I`m part of the war community! I do, however, have other things going in my life, like work, real life friends and a family, so my time to play the game is limited. That means I`m not a super hardcore player and, after getting my heroes to level 25/29 I can 3 star TH9s consistently. With the removal of the 30s and increases in defenses only the absolutely perfect attacks (again, super hardcore) will be able to get 3 stars on th 9 and almost nobody will get 3 at th 10 and 11. Was that the goal???

Add all that to the huge poison nerf (poison only does decent dmg after a looong time and we will no longer have that time), a lot less attack compositions will be viable. Golaloon will work only against crappy bases and anything below perfect (e.g. air mines in a different place resulting in a hound not popping) will prevent the 3 stars. Gowiwi or any variant with witches is gone. Any attack with queen walk is gone. All we will have left is goho and govaho (neither with aq walk opening). Why is SC against diversity?

TH 10 and 11 can`t get 3 stars anyway with the new defensive boosts / offensive nerfs, so 3 min is too much already for them. lol

Too bad I spent 160k DE to upgrade the most nerfed troop in the game (lvl 3 witches). They werent that great anyway and now they are going to be awful. Witches are about to be the new Valk.

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Originally Posted by JohnSnow83

Completely agree. TH10's and 11's need plenty of time for a queen walk/kill squad and the cleanup of all those extra buildings if they want to see hybrid 3 star attacks.

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This. Seconded.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Really hard to have a productive conversation with you, since you take one statement and then twist it to the extreme level.

I am simply stating one thing - the war community DID request this change. People are trying to say that this didn't occur, when it in fact did. And for what it's worth, in response to your last sentence (which again is taking one tiny thing and taking it to an extreme level), this is the first time I can recall Supercell making a change that those youtubers requested.

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I would like to correct you. The th 9 war community requested this. At th 11 we actually need those extra 30 seconds to have a chance to three star. No th 11 war clan EVER requested this. Why should th 9 clans dictate the game? If th 9 is too easy, upgrade.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Really hard to have a productive conversation with you, since you take one statement and then twist it to the extreme level.

I am simply stating one thing - the war community DID request this change. People are trying to say that this didn't occur, when it in fact did. And for what it's worth, in response to your last sentence (which again is taking one tiny thing and taking it to an extreme level), this is the first time I can recall Supercell making a change that those youtubers requested.

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What I am trying to convey to SC is that if you are making a change, just do it. Don't sound like you care really.

Quote from the official post: "...was especially requested by the war community"--this does really sound like SC is only worried about this specialized bunch of group which they defined "war community". Com'on there are so many people who like to war and disagree with the change.

You have still not sorted out modding. But yet you are happy to reduce the time and change troops which we have just got used to using since the last update. I'm th9 with lvl20 King and 28 aq and all you seem to be doing is messing with stuff no one asks you to, and ignoring the glaringly obvious ♥♥♥♥♥ers in your game. Also smaller and shorter wars have been requested many times, yet you ignore this continually. Growing very tired of clash of clans tbh 😡

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Originally Posted by 4M07H3RRU5514

I like how it is cloaked in the ridiculous notion that it was reverted to three minutes as a response to overwhelming feedback from the community.

So, can anyone link to a thread where people overwhelmingly jumped on the bandwagon to revert battle time to 3:00.

Anyone ...

Bueller ...

As opposed to the countless threads and YouTube videos with specific and actionable ideas which PEOPLE HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY requested.

Freeze Clan Castle (no defense)
Change random MM so trophy offer includes some weight tied to base strength.
Fix C.H.3.A.T.I.N.G

... and on, and on

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Oh yeah! SC should just put on their hardhats, pull out a wrench or two, and fix ♥♥♥♥♥ing! Because it is oh so easy to fix! All you have to do is somehow develop a program that messes with third party software! Duct Tape should do the trick!

To be honest it was too easy at th8. At th9 it was too easy with max heroes but with 10/10 heroes it was hard enough to get 3 stars vs. max bases

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Originally Posted by Ornitorrinco22

SC said the war community asked for the removal of the 30 seconds, but they should have said the super elite players asked for that instead.

I play this game almost exclusively for the wars, so yes, I`m part of the war community! I do, however, have other things going in my life, like work, real life friends and a family, so my time to play the game is limited. That means I`m not a super hardcore player and, after getting my heroes to level 25/29 I can 3 star TH9s consistently. With the removal of the 30s and increases in defenses only the absolutely perfect attacks (again, super hardcore) will be able to get 3 stars on th 9 and almost nobody will get 3 at th 10 and 11. Was that the goal???

Add all that to the huge poison nerf (poison only does decent dmg after a looong time and we will no longer have that time), a lot less attack compositions will be viable. Golaloon will work only against crappy bases and anything below perfect (e.g. air mines in a different place resulting in a hound not popping) will prevent the 3 stars. Gowiwi or any variant with witches is gone. Any attack with queen walk is gone. All we will have left is goho and govaho (neither with aq walk opening). Why is SC against diversity?

TH 10 and 11 can`t get 3 stars anyway with the new defensive boosts / offensive nerfs, so 3 min is too much already for them. lol

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Well said bro. I completely agree with you. I am also part of the war community, but SC only cares about a bunch of those hardcore players. Not everyone in the war community.

Why can't you use 3-4 witches in an attack, why does it have to be 10+

Ever since I became a th10 I've incorporated 2 witches in my attack for a cleanup crew only because of the extra camp spaces. Just like minions to balloons.

They don't have much use for anything else but that in small numbers since every defense basically takes one shot and kills the witches. They're usually the first to die because they are targeted before the wizards.

XD Nice... lol.

Its so pathetic how full of hate the forum is, just wait for the freaking sneak peeks

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Originally Posted by Garmonbozia

I say I'll agree to disagree, and still get a condescending attitude.

Have fun in war when everybody is using GOWIPE and everybody has anti-3 bases.

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haha, the only people using gowipe exclusively in war are people who are content with only getting 2 stars.

You need to get out more.

Ha ha it's funny, just when everyone upgraded witch to level 3 they nerfed it. Next they will give Hog7 and all will start using it and upgrade. Then in next update nerf.

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Originally Posted by TommyTx

XD Nice... lol.

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IKR only old schoolers will find the humor in it.

Congratulations supercell. Once again you've fixed what isn't broken and ignored what is. No one asked for 3 minutes back. Witches are now nerfed. Queen walk is now nerfed. Gohog is nerfed. ..
Here's an idea. .. before you change the game massively how about putting it to the forums? Honestly. .. dumbest update ever.

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Originally Posted by DarKBarbariaN95

Its so pathetic how full of hate the forum is, just wait for the freaking sneak peeks

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Its so pathetic how full of nerfs the update is

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Originally Posted by BlochTheRocker

I would like to correct you. The th 9 war community requested this. At th 11 we actually need those extra 30 seconds to have a chance to three star. No th 11 war clan EVER requested this. Why should th 9 clans dictate the game? If th 9 is too easy, upgrade.

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It was requested by the whole war community in December. A th11 war community was nonexistent at the time. In regards to the rest of your post - I've actually said the same thing about 5 times in separate threads. In order to achieve balance, different town hall levels require different time limits

This sums up SuperCell so perfectly!

witches are the only troops that produce other troops...

and what role is this troop doing? dps? tanking? All of this time some people call witches support troops where the skellies can tank (a bit) and take traps, do a bit additional damage (when they aren't massed witch'ed). surely they aren't dps troops because they don't do enough damage when we only use a few of them

Now:
- skellies are too OP, let's take their hp to nerf their tanking ability
- let's take their ability to trigger bomb to nerf their tanking ability
dev 1: what about their dps?
dev 2: nah bro, we don't want them calling us names and they are already abysal enough anyway when they aren't used in mass...
dev 1: sure enough, with this everyone will go back to our favourite gowipe instead of going to that stupid copycat gowiwi
dev 2: all hail gowipe!
dev 1: all hail gowipe!

seriously, witches aren't overpowered when they aren't used in mass... they should think of a way to make mass of them ineffective instead of lowering their individual power and make other witches army useless..

same case with "community recomendation" on Super queen healer fix.

R.I.P. witches. It was good while it lasted.

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Originally Posted by bigwinw

Its so pathetic how full of nerfs the update is

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Welcome to what's been going on for 3. YEARS. This is how games are kept fair, who knew!

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

R.I.P. witches. It was good while it lasted.

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SC wanted witches to be the new Valks and Valks to be the new witches.

I will use witches the same way I currently do and will continue to have the same success.

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Originally Posted by Strongarm6R

Why is it so hard for SC to understand that people play to attack not defend? This constant nerfing of offense is killing the game. Good job Clash team. After 3 years you still don't understand why we play your game.

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That's how games are balanced, bud! Stop trying for SC to give you a free pass.

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Originally Posted by JRG18

Comparing a truck to a car...nice. Just so you know, manufacturers actually do what you wrote about. Most recent was the update to the Ram trucks with the Aisin transmission bumping up the torque to 865 ft/lb :thumbsup: I guess it's only a good thing when things get "better" though right?

If you got the letter in the mail you might be dense and trash it and say to yourself "screw that, man!". Then you find yourself in the shop replacing a torque converter, bearings or some other host of problems because your drivetrain wasn't actually rated to the kind of power. I bet even in the shop you'd be blaming the manufacturer instead of yourself even though they're the experts and had superior knowledge.

In any case, Hemi<Cummins.

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You missed the point of my hypothetical analogy. I wasn't comparing a truck to a car, just like witches won't be like the new troop. The point is that in both scenarios, a company is selling you something that doesn't end up to be what was advertised, and they "fix" it by selling you something new, different, and most likely also not what is advertised in a few months. Great win for the company, but it doesn't feel great as the buyer.

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Originally Posted by DanielRomanski

Why can't you use 3-4 witches in an attack, why does it have to be 10+

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Because their AI isn't good. Instead of staying at a distance and summoning skeletons they move within range of all defenses. And then instead of constantly raising skeletons after a few die, they will wait until all skeletons are dead and when the defenses target her then she will raise more skeletons.

lol... you're saying as if there's any th9 base that can't be 3 starred given enough time and a decent-good attacker

as far as I know, goho and/or golava can destroy any th9 base if the attacker is good enough. at least with this 30 sec reduction we will see more separation between less good attacker and the better ones



and ofc, any gowipe nerf is appreciated, although th10-11 might need that extra 30 secs

as you should know your golden not galadoj has confirmed the info now please don't move any other threads

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

Town Hall 9+ Changes

• All Skeleton hitpoints reduced
Skeletons should be a fragile unit that overcome their inability to survive damage by sheer numbers. However their hitpoints were just a sliver too high, preventing Archer Towers from destroying them with a single arrow in some cases. The hitpoint decrease will make sure that Archer Towers stay effective against Skeleton hordes.

• Skeletons spawned from Witches no longer trigger traps

...This was the example with the Hog Rider before we introduced the 1.5x damage from Giant Bombs... In a similar way, making Skeletons not trigger traps will leave mass-Witch armies vulnerable to an abrupt end via traps...

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In other words, "we nerfed Hogs into the ground so they no longer have a place in high level armies, (especially with poison change now), and we intend to do the same to witches. Clash on!"

Terrible...

I'm so sick of changes that ruin the ability to use a troop in an army. If I remember correctly it took you over three to five updates (including the bomb change), to ruin hogs for high level players against T10 bases. Now it looks like you may succeed in killing witches with one fell swoop. I wish you had reversed the upgrade on witches or removed the earthquake spell from the game rather than making these stupid changes (including Inferno change). Giant bombs will now ALWAYS stop a witch army even if you include other troops regardless of base type one fights. I doubt there will be any point to using witches now.

It seems like every update comes with something to kill the enjoyment for me or my friends. I really don't know why I continue to play this game. :thumbsdown:

Old CW army no more:

2 Golem
10 Witch
2 Archer
2 Giant
2 Wall Breakers
11 Wizards

1 Poison
3 Heals
1 Rage
1 Jump


Can't use that combo anymore... or the one before that due to nerfs, or the one before that due to nerfs, or the one before that do to nerfs, or the one before that due to nerfs, or the one before that due to nerfs, or the one before that do to nerfs, etc...

Ya, that's the story of CoC.

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Originally Posted by bigwinw

Its so pathetic how full of nerfs the update is

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Really cuz ur playing the update right? Cuz the update already came out right dude. Can you tell me where you got it? Im pretty sure that this game will only keep getting better, stop assuming what you dont even know yet

Just Kidding, but I am disappointed in the No reduction of Hero Recovery Times.

I know it's considered a "Money Maker" but what ppl don't under stand "Those who buy gems will always buy gems" & "Those who don't won't"

Just wish it was limited to 1hr max.
Maybe something like 15 minutes per 10 lvls on Queen & King and 15min. every 5 Levels on the Warden.

please don't take away the 30 seconds. That extra 30 seconds allowed so much more versatile implementing different war strategies. Specially at th9. While some attacks strategies might have become op but it allowed new strategies to emerge. Now everyone will have to just use goho. This is not adding strategies but taking it away. Please reconsider. I like all of the other changes introduced but please don't take away the 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Hatchlhoff

Signed. Already having trouble as a TH11 and this will do nothing but hurt my attacks. I am not a m 0 d d e r, why punish me?

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its about game balance not modders. if you have chance to 3star 3min is not enough

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Originally Posted by loveless2213

Every single time. When sneak peeks get released, you can count the forum being flooded with whining, most of which stems from obvious inability to reason.

Cheers to all the real players!:thumbsup:

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Finally a person who is excited about the update.

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Originally Posted by hashtagbene

Actually everybody at TH9 and lower said extra 30 secs were useless

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If it is useless to them then they dont need to use it. Those of us with TH10-11 need that extra time.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Why is this a bad thing? Currently any th9 base can be 3 starred easily. Now, someone will be rewarded for good base design and you're mad about that? I couldn't be happier with the changes their making (from a th9 perspective).

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by loveless2213

Every single time. When sneak peeks get released, you can count the forum being flooded with whining, most of which stems from obvious inability to reason.

Cheers to all the real players!:thumbsup:

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Cheers sir!

Clash on!???
How? you Guyz just making defense harder and harder, now ur also killing attacking time too
I think 85% of players restricted to get 2 star on th10 and some time 1 on th11 with good skilled atks
I seriously though that after launching th11 and new artillery and wiz tower upgrade and extra xbow you will provide good troops to deal with them in this update....... But u r just keeping making it harder!!!
70% of players play this to hv fun not to make strategy charts and algorithm of attacks, ur are only forcing them to stop playing by making it harder for rest 30% players

"inability to reason"
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there is no way they are releasing 2 new troops in one update. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

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Originally Posted by bigwinw

there is no way they are releasing 2 new troops in one update. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

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It may actually be a dark troop and a dark spell.

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Originally Posted by loveless2213

Every single time. When sneak peeks get released, you can count the forum being flooded with whining, most of which stems from obvious inability to reason.

Cheers to all the real players!:thumbsup:

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Absolutely! I like every single part of the update upon first glance. Can't wait to see a mob of wizards mix in with some skellies and happen upon a giant bomb then see it wind up in General.

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Originally Posted by ElfLiya

wait till you see what one of the new troop can do ;):smirk:

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coupled with the amount of gems you need to spend before it get nerf again :smirk:

Update hasn't hit. Proclaims death to th10 and 11.

Makes sense :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Priyank2807

Clash on!???
How? you Guyz just making defense harder and harder, now ur also killing attacking time too
I think 85% of players restricted to get 2 star on th10 and some time 1 on th11 with good skilled atks
I seriously though that after launching th11 and new artillery and wiz tower upgrade and extra xbow you will provide good troops to deal with them in this update....... But u r just keeping making it harder!!!
70% of players play this to hv fun not to make strategy charts and algorithm of attacks, ur are only forcing them to stop playing by making it harder for rest 30% players

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You know what's the most ironic of all you whiners? You complain, yet these changes better the game for YOU. If nerfs were never applied to your gameplay specifically, you would be so bored, since there's no challenge. The purpose of the nerfs is to make the game difficult, challenging, etc. Yet here you are, chasing your own tail. I agree with EVERYTHING in the update notes, except the posion nerf, which I feel deems the spell absolutely useless.

But, well just have to wait and see.

Ah, are there people on your precious forum saying the upcoming changes aren't good. Are you gonna cwy now??

If you are too sensitive for those words, please go and play HayDay.

You must be a TH9 or below, because I do think the update improves the game for those levels. Above that looks like they're taking an unbalanced setup and making it further unbalanced.

I don't feel like he's ever come across a war clan and seen the jumping jacks we can get our heroes to do on the general.

I hope the sneak peeks bring some good news for me as a TH11, because all I can see right now is that my life as a TH11 just became harder. And farming at TH11, which already borders on hellish, will become even worse. Some points:

- Matchmaking: we will find more TH11 and less TH10 to attack. After all, farming TH10s is so easy, isn't it?

- Grand Warden nerfed. Our single biggest weapon will be weaker now.

- Poison much less useful. More troops will be needed for enemy CC.

- Inferno more powerful. Xbows, wiz towers much more powerful.

I hope there is something to balance or TH11 will be unplayable for me. I have warred just once in the last month anyway. And farming - well the less said the better.

yeah... SC definitely have idiots as team analyst. I mean look at here:

"The Clash of Clans team is looking at ways to make playing easier, faster and with less downtime. Spell brewing time is the obvious first bottleneck here, but there is still more that can be done in the future."

we can still farm with few amount of spells (not all 11 slots) or we can mix de spell and lix spell to make it faster, but heroes?? :facepalm:
at th10-11, heroes really play a big role when you want to core bases.

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Originally Posted by Roblox84

Because their AI isn't good. Instead of staying at a distance and summoning skeletons they move within range of all defenses. And then instead of constantly raising skeletons after a few die, they will wait until all skeletons are dead and when the defenses target her then she will raise more skeletons.

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I usually have a golem tanking for them and use her as a support troop not the meat of my attack. That's worked well for me in the past and I don't think these new balances will have a negative effect for that type of strategy. I do see where your coming from she is fragile and kinda dumb.

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Originally Posted by frank4444

Why is this a bad thing? Currently any th9 base can be 3 starred easily. Now, someone will be rewarded for good base design and you're mad about that? I couldn't be happier with the changes their making (from a th9 perspective).

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I hear you but I think there are balancing issues. Having a really spread out base is not good base design much of the time. Well, I suppose you could argue it is because it stops 3* attacks and works within the rules of the game. I, on the other hand, would argue a spread base is just gimmicky. A great base stops an attack regardless of time. With that said, I like that there is a time limit but picking it must be done very carefully. You want time to be a constraint but not the primary constraint. At 3:30 it appeared it may have been too lenient and allowed for slow, meandering attacks to win. At 3:00 it seems poorly designed but heavily spread bases defend too easily. maybe they should've split the difference at 3:15.

I don't get it either. People at TH10/11 were screaming for balance....OFFENSIVE BALANCE!!!!!! So let's nerf the ONLY troop TH11 gets an upgrade for(minions don't count) and nerf it several times. I mean witches are WORSE now at level 3 then they were at level 2 before the nerfs lol. Thanks for a negative upgrade. Oh while we are at it, lets nerf the GW too. Unfreakinbelievable!!!!!

Yeah there is a new troop, wow big deal. If it is useful in ANYWAY, it will be nerfed, I promise you that, I would bet my life on that. As soon as a strat becomes useful, it's nerfed into the ground.

NO ONE WANTS TOUGHER DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't seen anyone at TH10/11 complain that attacking is too easy lol. Just clueless. I'm so mad and I don't even play this game now, that's how stupid these people are!!

Well slowly they introduce upgrades,that are from TH10 to TH9 ? So in the future,TH10 will get Grand Warden,Eagle Artillery.. why bother going to TH11 ?

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Originally Posted by ElfLiya

wait till you see what one of the new troop can do ;):smirk:

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So they can nerf it later?

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Originally Posted by RAppel

Update hasn't hit. Proclaims death to th10 and 11.

Makes sense :facepalm:

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Here's the reality of it. Supercell made a mistake with their TH11 update and changes surrounding it.

TH9 was balanced until they added time and poison update to unbalance it in favor of offense. Now they're undoing that. GOOD.

TH10 never was balanced, being too heavily defensive. TH11 was originally the reverse of that, with max witches rolling over everything. They nerfed and made TH10 and 11 unbalanced in favor of defense. Now rather than undo their mistakes they are buffing defenses and nerfing offenses? That's the end playing for me if there isn't another huge offensive improvement coming along with it.

Alarmist? Maybe, but I'd rather Supercell see that their sneak peek looks a lot like they're ruining the game for their top players rather than sit around smiling and hoping. They've proven they are capable of huge mistakes before, I'd rather speak out than sit on my hands and hope they have it under control.

basically this update is not really doing anything for TH9

and we are left with the same loot issues.

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Originally Posted by TangoFever

Lack of reading skill on the forum is really not a rare commodity. Anouska is stating clearly SC wants people to use more valks.

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Yeah, we saw that. We don't want them to because another wizard basically. People don't use them because they don't know how to. SC doesn't lose a dollar whether people do or don't use a specific troop. They're just dumbing them down to help gemming thumb spammers.

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Originally Posted by fieldofdreams

I hear you but I think there are balancing issues. Having a really spread out base is not good base design much of the time. Well, I suppose you could argue it is because it stops 3* attacks and works within the rules of the game. I, on the other hand, would argue a spread base is just gimmicky. A great base stops an attack regardless of time. With that said, I like that there is a time limit but picking it must be done very carefully. You want time to be a constraint but not the primary constraint. At 3:30 it appeared it may have been too lenient and allowed for slow, meandering attacks to win. At 3:00 it seems poorly designed but heavily spread bases defend too easily. maybe they should've split the difference at 3:15.

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What they need to do is adjust time limit differently for different town halls. One universal time limit makes it nearly impossible to balance each town hall. As a result, this change is welcomed by many and hated by many.

A recent video by Powerbang showed how his whole raid went south because he placed his AQ one tile too many to the East. I really like PB, but man I do not dissect my war attacks that much. And lower beginners in our clan don't / can't come close. When we are matched against pro clans over and over it becomes discouraging. I hope the changes in matchmaking help with our war matchups.

The extra 30 seconds - we welcomed it. We are not elite attackers who map every troop placement. We just play to have fun - not make a profession out of it. The 30 secs made it better for our very "average" clan to perform better in war. We have no desire (or time) to spend hours dissecting an attack. I already spend too much time on the game! lol. I do like depth, but I really don't want this already challenging game to get any harder. Removing the time will be a blow.

Super skilled players may welcome it... and I guess that's the crowd SC is trying to please.

Love the Valk buff - looking forward to it. Mine hit level 3 in a few days.

Ultimately we will adapt, but I will say everyone in our camp will miss the 30 seconds. Hopefully our new players don't get too discouraged. I also really feel for those trying to do well at TH10 and up with the reduced time. I will continue to hang at th9 for a while and try to master the three star while improving heroes.

In testing, the new valks were 3 starring max Th11's without fail by just spamming them and using 5 rage spells.
Hence the balancing of the hit points.

They always test the changes guys :)

because ♥♥♥ never use them, they don't know what problem Valks have lol!


now inferno will kill them even faster and they will be th9 exclusive troops

oh wait.. xbow got increase dps?? they will be th8 exclusive troops??? :smirk::smirk::smirk::smirk::smirk:

Im a pro update person but not this one.. They r really tryin to kill the game with this one.. I feel like r just making it impossible for town hall 10s to have any kinda fun

SC please explain why would a TH11 request a reduction in time this was requested by TH9's not war comunity...

TH11 defences including infernos got even more buff Grand warden nerfed witches almost renderd useless and you say hmmm we must help the defence by removing 30 seconds ....

In december update the best part was the extra 30 sec which allowed strategic attacks specially against the EA

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Originally Posted by TangoFever

Lack of reading skill on the forum is really not a rare commodity. Anouska is stating clearly SC wants people to use more valks.

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The OP clearly started this thread to express disagreement with SC that this change will in fact make valks better. This is what the rest of us are debating, not what SC's intentions were/are.