Wheating for Expansions worth it?

Hey guys,

I was wondering how much materials can I get from just wheating a few hours a day.
I know I get 1 materials every time I harvest my Wheat.

But I wanted to know how much I can get if I just do my daily stuff and wheat when I have time left.

I just emptied my barn + silo (after I planted wheat).
Now let's see how much materials I'll get just this week.

Remember I only have 69 farm lands. So I only get 1 material per harvest. If you have 120+ or so you will get 2.


I will update the results daily.







Alright I want to tell the story behind this.

So yesterday I had a small argument with my sister. She said that everyone get's the same amount of supply materials. I said they don't. Some get more screws than bolts, and the otherway around.
My sister didn't believe me so I said I will prove it to her.

Now since this question is asked a lot I decided to test it.
My sister and I are going to wheat the next 7 days. And we will see if we get the same percentage of materials.


How am I going to calculate the results?
Well I just count the amount of materials we get everyday, and after the counting we will both sell all the materials everyday.

For us a day is 13/16 hours. The other hours we are a sleep.
So right before I go to sleep I'll count everyting and sell everything on both accounts. And when we wake up we both start wheating again :)

Since it's a waste of time to not share it with the Hay Day community I will just share it with you guys :)

Hope it's usefull for some.


~ Magic

Results:

Item	Me	Total expansion.
Day 1: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 9 1 0 4 4 6 5 1 0 2 0 4 1 3 0	. 9 1 0 4 4 6 5 1 0 2 0 4 1 3 0
Day 2: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 5 2 0 4 6 7 6 4 1 3 1 4 0 6 0	. 14 3 0 8 10 13 11 5 1 5 1 8 1 9 0
Day 3: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 6 3 1 3 2 7 3 6 0 7 2 1 0 2 0	. 20 6 1 11 12 20 14 11 1 12 3 9 1 11 0
Day 4: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 7 2 0 1 13 4 4 5 1 1 1 3 8 2 0	. 27 8 1 12 25 24 18 16 2 13 4 12 9 13 0
Day 5: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 5 9 4 2 5 15 2 11 3 2 4 2 7 7 0	. 32 17 5 14 30 39 20 27 5 15 8 14 16 20 0
Day 6: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 3 2 0 3 3 3 3 1 0 1 1 13 2 0 0	. 35 19 5 17 33 42 23 28 5 16 9 27 18 20 0
Day 7: Axes: Saws: Shovels: Bolts: Planks: Duct tape: Nails: Screws: Wood panels: Land deeds: Mallets: Marker stakes: TNT Barrel: Dynamite: Pickaxe:	. 12 13 2 4 4 15 8 18 1 2 6 6 5 8 0	. 47 32 7 21 37 57 31 46 6 18 15 33 23 28 0

Conclusion of day 1: Total of 40 expansions gotten.
We both got around the same amount of materials, but we got different amounts per item.

Conclusion of day 2: Total of 49 expansions gotten.
Unfortunatly my sister stopped wheating.... She is now focussing on the truck event... So I will continue to investigate the drop rate of items when you already have a lot of them.
So I took a look at the amount of items I got today, and I found out that I got the same items as yesterday, even the same large amounts.

Conslusion of day 3: Total of 43 expansions gotten.
Sorry for updating so late. I was busy in my REAL garden and I got some chemical stuff in my face, so I spend the rest of the evening in the hospital...

Now for the HD part:
I didn't wheat a whole lot but I got a total of around 30/40 items.
I found out that I got a lot more Land deeds than normal, also axes and duct tape came in large amounts.

Can't say if this was just a coincidence, or this is coded in the game that when you have a lot of some item you get the other items.

Hope to get a lot more done today(day4) than yesterday(day3).

Conclusion of day 4: Total of 52 expansions gotten.
Didn't do a lot of wheating today due to the fact I had to finish the garden stuff from yesterday.

But apart from that, I did get a lot and I mean A LOT of planks today, intotal 13..


Also I added a total list of amounts I have after every day, This way it's easier for me to calculate how much I got in a day :P
This will also help to see wich ones I get the most over the days.

Well it's already day 5 :) If this really helps I will concider doing this for a week extra, to see how much you get when the stuff really gets into large numbers.
But when I do that I have to upgrade my barn to at least 500+ so that every expansion can fit in my barn haha, than again I have to empty the barn AGAIN and Opt out on the derby twice :O

Cya guys tomorrow when day 5 ends :)

PS: My face is fine, my glasses saved me from getting real injuries. I get pills for my skin irritation but nothing bad that effects me in the long term :)

Conclusion of day 5: Total of 78 expansions gotten.
Today I was able to get a lot of wheating done.
I got a lot of Duct tape and Screws.
The weird part is that the days before I got an average amount or even a little less than other items.
It amazes me to see that it doesn't matter how much I wheat that I get a lot of an item every day. Also the item I get a lot changes every day.
At day 4 you can see I got 13 planks, and day 1 I got a lot of axes.
I believe that this means that every farm has an even chance of getting certain items. But the game is coded that everyday the item you get the most is changed.

What I mean with that is that at day 1 you get a lot of axes and average amounts of the other items, but at day 4 and day 5 you get other items a lot. I hope to see that tomorrow the amounts of items I get will get average again, if this happens it proofs what I mean.

Another thing is that my silo is flooded with wheat all the time haha, but the RRS gets raided a lot.
In the evenings the asians take over my rrs, and in the early morning the russians do. I believe this is because of the time difference but it is pretty nice they do raid my rrs :)

Also my XP is getting up pretty quickly, got over a 10k xp the last 5 days.
The villagers are pretty nice too, They ask a lot of wheat allmost every time :) gives me a nice coin amount also :P
Let's pray for a dubble villager coin event!!! :D

Cya guys tomorrow when day 6 ends :)
Allmost the last day :(


Conclusion of day 6: Total of 35 expansions gotten.
Today I did not so much wheating haha, I will do a lot of wheating the next few hours.
I had to update the results of day 6 but tomorrow you will see that day 7 has spectacluar results!!!

So today I saw that I got a lot of Marker Stakes, but allmost no other big numbers. So the thing I said yesterday:

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Originally Posted by MagicTownie

What I mean with that is that at day 1 you get a lot of axes and average amounts of the other items, but at day 4 and day 5 you get other items a lot. I hope to see that tomorrow the amounts of items I get will get average again, if this happens it proofs what I mean.

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is not right I guess.

Well I'll be back with big numbers tomorrow!

Cya guys tomorrow when the end of this experiment ends (Or if you want me to do another week let me know)!

Last day has arrived :(


Conclusion of day 7: Total of 104 expansions gotten!!
Wow, after 7 days of wheating I finished it!
Amazing to see how much expansions I've gotten in just 7 days, a total of 401.

It's pretty easy to say that the amount of items you get is random, but I wanted to test this myth, and I think I can say that this myth is pretty much confirmed. Also I found out that Pickaxes do not drop when harvesting crops, this also explains why people allmost never trade pickaxes.
Even though I get a lot of 1 item every day, it's a different item every day.

For my farm I found out that I get a lot of Duct tape, Axes and screws. This will help me in the future when I will trade a few items :)

Now as for this experiment, I will test some other theories that people have dropped on these forums, but I will post the results in another thread.

I hope this helped a lot :)


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Some stats about this experiment:

In the last 7 days I've received 401 expansions, that comes down to 57 expansions each day.
This also means that I had to harvest my wheat 401 times, that adds up to 802 minutes, wich is 13.3 hours. That means I wheated an average of 1.9 hour every day. This is a lot if you ask me lol.

Also 401 times 69xp is 27669xp. Wich is 3952.7xp per day for just wheating 2 hours a day :)

The total value of all the items are:

Axes: : 1692
Saws: : 1728
Shovels: : 756
Bolts: : 5670
Planks: : 9990
Duct tape: : 15390
Nails: : 8370
Screws: : 12420
Wood panels : 1620
Land deeds: : 7254
Mallets: : 6045
Marker stakes : 13299
TNT Barrel: : 1656
Dynamite: : 700
Pickaxe: : 0
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Grand total of: 84934 coins.

This is 12133 coins per day :)


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End story


I really liked to do this experiment and I would 100% do it again :)
I hope these results will help people with wheating, and I hope that this gives answer to some questions about some myths.
Well I will see you guys soon when I start another experiment to bust some myths :)

~ Magic

You should put your starting quantities in as well, for an extra test! ;)

Oh wait...nevermind. You said you sell them off each day. I thought it would be cool to see start quantities and see what the drop rates look like. That too is a test people might like. You know, like if you have a lot of tool x, does tool x drop more? Would be cool to see those results as well if anyone wants to try it or you want to try it, MagicTownie.


Carry on. :)

for ease of reading you'll want to move your results down 1 line on each....currently it shows the axes results as day one results.

I look forward to seeing the results over time. I think it's usual that someone gets more some little of each BEM more each little of each SEM and more some little of each LEM. I don't know how axes and saws and MEM fall in wether they are preset or random.

it appears that your farm is set up with

Bolts least planks some tapes most

nails most screws some panels few

deeds some markers few stakes most

and sister farm is

Bolts some planks most tapes few

nails most screws few panels most

deeds most markers some stakes few

It will be interesting to see if these hold true.

I can see why your sister might think it's the same if it turns out that tapes end up being your least because that would be an identical drop rate on bem for each of you very few pay attention to the sem drop rates.

luckily you're both set for land expansion her most is your least and vice versa. just swap deeds for stakes as needed.

Anywho I look forward to final results I love data collection threads

Ooooh I like this! I look forward to seeing the results :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by ilovehayday

You should put your starting quantities in as well, for an extra test! ;)

Oh wait...nevermind. You said you sell them off each day. I thought it would be cool to see start quantities and see what the drop rates look like. That too is a test people might like. You know, like if you have a lot of tool x, does tool x drop more? Would be cool to see those results as well if anyone wants to try it or you want to try it, MagicTownie.


Carry on. :)

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Since I have not yet sold them I will do this aswell :)

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Originally Posted by Tiaxotrax

for ease of reading you'll want to move your results down 1 line on each....currently it shows the axes results as day one results.

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Oh thanks for telling me! Didn't notice that :P

I also enjoy threads like this with user-data! It's very interesting to look at the numbers. Good luck with the wheating! I'll be following results.

Added results of Day 2.

Cool looks like it's holding true so far in keeping with the theory that each farm has a most a least and a somewhere in the middle. of course we are only on day 2. and we still don't have sister farm to compare. I applaud the chart and look forward to further results.

I see your planks pulled ahead of bolts that's nice for trading it's a lot easier to get a fair deal trading tapes for bolts than it is to trade for planks. (so many people have an inflated opinion of planks)

Did he give up?

No no i didnt gave up lol I had no time till now to update it, so I will add day 3 within a few minuts :)

Sorry for the late Update.

I was busy in my REAL garden and I got some chemical stuff in my face and spend the rest of the evening in the hospital.

Hope to get a lot more wheating done today than I did yesterday (currently day 4)

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Originally Posted by MagicTownie

Sorry for the late Update.

I was busy in my REAL garden and I got some chemical stuff in my face and spend the rest of the evening in the hospital.

Hope to get a lot more wheating done today than I did yesterday (currently day 4)

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sorry to hear about the trip to the ER. I don't wish that on anybody. Aside from that thanks for updating.

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Originally Posted by MagicTownie

Sorry for the late Update.

I was busy in my REAL garden and I got some chemical stuff in my face and spend the rest of the evening in the hospital.

Hope to get a lot more wheating done today than I did yesterday (currently day 4)

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See, now that is why I do not garden in RL! Ouch sounds nasty :( I Hope your ok now.

Your dedication to the cause is much appreciated and much safer than RL gardening. Now get back to that wheating the forum depends on you! :)

Luckely I wear glasses, so there only was some skin irritation for which I got some pills.



I didn't do much wheating, I had to finish what I left open yesterday in the garden.
But around 50/60 extra materials came in :)

Also I did some stupid things way to fast haha, I sold my only carrots, My only sugar cane and my only soja bean :facepalm:


ADDED RESULTS DAY 4 :)

Wow that's quite the plank jump on day 4. Wonder what that means and if it holds significance. Glad to read you're doing well after dosing yourself.

I too am interested to see your results, keep them coming. Glad your okay. Gardening is dangerous business, thats why I only do it on HD.:) stay safe.

Lucy--ALL THE LITTLE SQUIDS ( blue emblem, yellow fish )

Results of day 5 are added!!! :d

Nice results, MagicTownie! :)

Posting to subscribe. I love these count tracking threads. Thanks for doing it!

let me know if you want me to do another experiment, but this time 14 days instead of 7.

If you want me to do 14 days plz help me to upgrade my barn haha, I currently have 297/450 space in use after 7 days haha imagen after 14 days :P


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No my real name is not dirk hayday.
I just don't want my real name to be out in the open for people I don't know! :P

Holy axes up the cowzooie huh?! Sounds like my farm! :p

It's interesting- I find that when I sell an expansion item (or two or ten or whatever), I get more of that item from harvesting and pet drops than any other. Frustrating!

Good work! :o

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

Holy axes up the cowzooie huh?! Sounds like my farm! :p

It's interesting- I find that when I sell an expansion item (or two or ten or whatever), I get more of that item from harvesting and pet drops than any other. Frustrating!

Good work! :o

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Interesting, i will take a look at it :)

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Originally Posted by MagicTownie

Interesting, i will take a look at it :)

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Oh only sell if you were going to already! I didn't mean to suggest you go out and sell your rare expansion materials and see what happens, hahaha. I might just be one of those weird farms, who knows ;)

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

Oh only sell if you were going to already! I didn't mean to suggest you go out and sell your rare expansion materials and see what happens, hahaha. I might just be one of those weird farms, who knows ;)

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I was planning on selling everything today, I have 57 coins so i kinda need coins haha.

Also it's fun to test it out and help others :)

Interesting observation it appears everything is obtainable via wheating to some degree, EXCEPT pickaxes. in 6 days of wheating you got absolutely 0 pickaxes.

This explains why no one trades picks very much if they only come from tool boxes, sea chests, wheel of fortune and Townies. Oh and Tom of course.

I wonder if this is why we don't have great data on mining with pickaxes. it's harder to get a few thousand for a good sample when the supply is limited.

as for continuing to do a 2 week run I would definitely enjoy reading it. what I'd recommend doing is selling off all your unneeded axes saws and any BEM/SEM that is more than 10 over your lowest amount.

meaning sell 10 deeds 20 stakes 20 nails 20 screws 30 tapes 20 planks all at max price (gets your coins up.) gives you space and continue wheating on your own for another week to build back up I think you'll continue getting about the same ratios. and you'll get a few upgrades out of it. or if you want to upgrade quicker I'm sure the trade thread will have a few dozen people that'd love to take those tapes and planks off your hands for a nice deal on bolts. that'll get you upgraded real quick.

I imagine at your rate of wheating if you sold off all excess LEM axes and saws and traded excess bem and sem for needed bem and sem you could probably upgrade every 24-48 hours at least 1 if not both storage areas. and have plenty coins to buy any machines you need.

1 hour untill the final results will be uploaded!!!

I'm asking all of you to share with me how many expansions you think I got in total today!


I give you 1 small hint, It's more than day 5.

20 minutes!

Well my phone just passed out :P It has no power to go on, I'm trying to charge it.
I hope my phone will be charged so that I can get to the goal I've set for my self.

In 20 minutes the results of a week worth of wheating are in and I can finally end this experiment(and start a new one to find out some theorie's people have stated on the forums ;) )

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Originally Posted by MagicTownie

20 minutes!

Well my phone just passed out :P It has no power to go on, I'm trying to charge it.
I hope my phone will be charged so that I can get to the goal I've set for my self.

In 20 minutes the results of a week worth of wheating are in and I can finally end this experiment(and start a new one to find out some theorie's people have stated on the forums ;) )

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Based on your day 6 notes and the fact you played your phone to death. I'd wager you crossed 100 collected items. I'd say 107 total

Well, It has a little delay haha, my phone is now charging but everytime I try to turn it on it dies again haha. Imma let it charge to 20% :P

RESULTS OF THE FINAL DAY ARE IN :D

I really liked to do this and I'll see you guys in another experiment when I start another one to test some myths :)

Also Tiax, you where close with 107, It's 104 :)

~ Magic

Good info. I wheat on occasion, but use corn as my crop, sells quicker imo.
starting this year, i'm charting on a spreadsheet my time intervals between bumping my barn and silo, and level bumps. Going to look at quarterly patterns on the frequency. I keep data on any diam. spent towards them.

Interesting data...look at all those axes; I am starting to find that is the case for me as well. The more I pet,wheat,town the more axes I end up with.

Not all bad though, I just go crazy with Black Berries and they turn out to be fairly profitable. Also keep the bees busy.

As for wheating itself, I occasionally do it - love a wheat derby task or at other times I'll wheat for an hour or so. Never done it full time though. While it is rewarding it's too monotonous for me to be a constant way of expanding.

Back on your data, I also note you never got TEMS. I've never closely analyzed wheating finds to know they do not give those.

Thanks for sharing. :)

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Originally Posted by daz258

Interesting data..

Back on your data, I also note you never got TEMS. I've never closely analyzed wheating finds to know they do not give those.

Thanks for sharing. :)

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But no one ever gets town expansion materials from the farm....??? Only from the town. Right??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by mybluemitten

But no one ever gets town expansion materials from the farm....??? Only from the town. Right??? :confused:

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I believe that to be true. and since pickaxes came out at the same time as the town (also same time we got coal and iron ore) they must have been given a town ID rather than a farm ID which would explain their non wheatability (guessing) this could also explain why TEM is so rare since it doesn't drop from wheating and most bots never bothered opening the town they didn't get past town lvl 2 without opening the town and no tem drops below town lvl 2. maps not till town lvl 3. It all makes sense now.

I remember back during mapageddon I loved my slave farm. I had never opened up the town on him because I only used him for extra production slots dairy and sugar all the way. but I used him to do most of my DD shopping since he couldn't see the map ads. so while everyone else complained of nothing but maps he bought BEM and SEM galore. on my main the DD was 50-70% maps on his bacon and eggs and BEM and SEM. life was good.

I had just never taken a whole lot of notice before.

But come to think of it, I only ever recall getting Pick Axes in the chest floating in the water of Towns. As already assumed by Tioxotrax they must be tagged with the same ID as TEMs and cannot be found 'wheating'.

Detailed observations such as this from the original poster make that a whole lot clearer, really helps teach players the best place to farm certain items. :)

Want SEM/BEM? Wheat.
Want TEM? Serve townies often.
Want LEM? Do either, you can trade for it at good ratios regardless.

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Originally Posted by daz258

I had just never taken a whole lot of notice before.

But come to think of it, I only ever recall getting Pick Axes in the chest floating in the water of Towns. As already assumed by Tioxotrax they must be tagged with the same ID as TEMs and cannot be found 'wheating'.

Detailed observations such as this from the original poster make that a whole lot clearer, really helps teach players the best place to farm certain items. :)

Want SEM/BEM? Wheat.
Want TEM? Serve townies often.
Want LEM? Do either, you can trade for it at good ratios regardless.

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Basically to farm for items you do the following;

Wheating/Crops for expansion items
Feed animals for expansions items
Make products for XP which give you items at a certain point
Fully help the town for expanion or tem