War Tie-breaker

Hi there !

I am in a fairly good clan : we are th 6-7-8 and we usually win our wars because every body is involved and most of us know how to attack any kind of bases with various strats.

However, we're frustrated about wars that end in a tie with 100% destruction on each side, even though we fight against stronger clans, sometimes.

I think it would be a good idea to find some way to break such ties :

1st idea : both clans win (full bonuses, +1 win in clan journal, +50 xp)
2nd idea : the weaker clan (lowest score in matchmaking) wins, the other clan has only 50% of the bonus.
3rd idea : find a tie breaker (total loot for all attacks in the clan, total percentage of destruction for all attacks in the clan,...something else ?) and adjucate victory to the best clan.
4th idea : rebalance the game ; the added airdefense was a good start, but it is not enough.

As far as I'm concerned, I prefer ideas 3 and 4, but anyway, it is a problem for us, because more often than a few, the fun just vanishes from the war from the matchmaking on, because we know it will result in a perfect-tie...

Thanks for reading !

Clash on !

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Originally Posted by Graoumph

Hi there !

I am in a fairly good clan : we are th 6-7-8 and we usually win our wars because every body is involved and most of us know how to attack any kind of bases with various strats.

However, we're frustrated about wars that end in a tie with 100% destruction on each side, even though we fight against stronger clans, sometimes.

I think it would be a good idea to find some way to break such ties :

1st idea : both clans win (full bonuses, +1 win in clan journal, +50 xp)
2nd idea : the weaker clan (lowest score in matchmaking) wins, the other clan has only 50% of the bonus.
3rd idea : find a tie breaker (total loot for all attacks in the clan, total percentage of destruction for all attacks in the clan,...something else ?) and adjucate victory to the best clan.
4th idea : rebalance the game ; the added airdefense was a good start, but it is not enough.

As far as I'm concerned, I prefer ideas 3 and 4, but anyway, it is a problem for us, because more often than a few, the fun just vanishes from the war from the matchmaking on, because we know it will result in a perfect-tie...

Thanks for reading !

Clash on !

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yea ikr these 3 stars party need to get rid really soon :s for now maybe adding some th10-11 to stop it(but it prob make u lose due to the afect of calculation) its better than alll tie wars if your clan's member prefer loot instead "absolute" no lose war(that lead to perfect ties)to go to higher th

Guy's really?

If you tie the tie breaker alreasy in place, then deal with the fact the war is a tie!

If u both get 100% damage, simple fix. FIRST TO REACH 100% DAMAGE GETS AUTOMATIC WIN!

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Originally Posted by Xav1

If you tie the tie breaker alreasy in place, then deal with the fact the war is a tie!

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I would not call it a tie... A tie is when both opponnents are the same strength and they get to the same result.

In such cases, the war process could not determine the strength of the opponnents because the game is merely unbalanced at those lv of th... It is very (too) easy to perfect a th7 or a th8. One's clan might be the best, but it just doesn't have a chance to prove it.

Last war, we had reached 100% destruction after 17 attacks out of 30... 13 loot attacks could not help us win the war...

Once again, it doesn't just occur once in a century. In my clan, we have faced this situation 4 times in the last 30 wars, and have been close to this situation even more (we got those victories thanks to inactive players in the opposite clan, but as our clan level will climb, such situations will tend to disappear...) !

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Originally Posted by Graoumph

I would not call it a tie... A tie is when both opponnents are the same strength and they get to the same result.

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Sorry, but a tie is when you get the same score, strength or weakness of the opponents has nothing to do with it:


a. An equality of scores, votes, or performance in a contest
b. A contest so resulting; a draw.

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Originally Posted by Xav1

Sorry, but a tie is when you get the same score, strength or weakness of the opponents has nothing to do with it:


a. An equality of scores, votes, or performance in a contest
b. A contest so resulting; a draw.

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OK, you are right. The dictonary says so.

Does this mean that the current tie-breaking system is flawless ?

I suggest a way to improve it, imho. If you disagree, you can say it simply. This thread was suppose to bring a debate, not just to tell each other to deal with things the way they are...

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Originally Posted by Graoumph

OK, you are right. The dictonary says so.

Does this mean that the current tie-breaking system is flawless ?

I suggest a way to improve it, imho. If you disagree, you can say it simply. This thread was suppose to bring a debate, not just to tell each other to deal with things the way they are...

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Hmm, then the lowest attack to reach perfect score is the winner as u said will rid those ties xD even though there will be still some ties but tie is a result too, so i think after that if u still struggled with ties u need call some th10-11 :smirk:lol

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Originally Posted by Graoumph

Hi there !
4th idea : rebalance the game ; the added airdefense was a good start, but it is not enough.

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was the added air defense really a good start? You should ask all the town hall 6s who's only option in war is giant healer with wizards/barch behind in war if that extra air defense balanced town hall 6. At th7 it was balancing(only a bit in my opinion) but at th6 it removed the only viable war strategy.

OP, your issue will disappear as the clan progresses and th are upgraded. It may re-appear if you stick with smaller wars but my clan love them and we learned to live with ties.

Every suggestion I have read here (and in the past) will only lead to poor clan management (ie not allowing lower lvls to practice on impossible targets or rushing attacks to be first) or undesirable things like increased use of engineered bases to lower weight.

There is no solution that does not have other repercussions on existing legitimate gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Unknown3356

was the added air defense really a good start? You should ask all the town hall 6s who's only option in war is giant healer with wizards/barch behind in war if that extra air defense balanced town hall 6. At th7 it was balancing(only a bit in my opinion) but at th6 it removed the only viable war strategy.

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I understand that the game has got harder with this new air defense. And i believe it is a good thing, especially in wars. If it is too easy getting 3 star on any kind of base, then there would be not point in going to war, because the result would depend on the chances you have to find a poorly active clan, rather than your skills.

I do not agree with your saying that the only viable option is giant-healer attacks. We get pretty good results with loons, depending on the base. And massive giant attacks with heal spells do well too.

First I would like to say....

Supercell has said they will be adding a second tie breaker. It is not yet confirmed what the tie breaker will be but they are thinking of using total time used.

Stars, TD, Time.
Example: 20v20 each team scores 60 stars, total destruction=100%, time used.

So if stars and TD are tied then the clan with the lowest average time will be declared the winner. Or something like that is my understanding of what they said at clash con.

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Originally Posted by Unknown3356

was the added air defense really a good start? You should ask all the town hall 6s who's only option in war is giant healer with wizards/barch behind in war if that extra air defense balanced town hall 6. At th7 it was balancing(only a bit in my opinion) but at th6 it removed the only viable war strategy.

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And finally... HAHAHAHAHA HAHA HA HA HAHAHA.

I love reading noobs post their "facts".

And again with today's war...

Here is our warlog... we usually don't experience as much draws as these past few days, but it is bound to happen more and more...
http://i.imgur.com/HczTdiK.jpg

...And again. In the last 7 wars, we had more draws than not...
And the current war will have the same result unlesse our opponents have enough inactive players...

I really fear it is going to be an annoyingly recurrent problem for us...:(