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Is it just me or are level 5 Giants weak even against TH8s with semi maxed defences? On the other hand level 6 Giants seem to be bullet proof even against semi maxed TH9s. I have to say I absolutely hate Gibarch at TH8, it's so volatile. The giants are utter rubbish.
Giants were my 1st upgrade from TH8-TH9. The difference is astonishing. Just the way the game is. I hear its even more of a difference for lvl 7 Giants, but im a bit a ways from getting themQuote:
Originally Posted by Karganeth
Exactly. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Level 5 Giants just don't have the oomph to take on decently upgraded TH8s, unlike level 6 giants attacking a TH9.
TH8 gets quite nice defensive bump over TH7, but not nearly the same offensive bump. This include LV5 giants. Maybe back in the day LV5 giants were adequate.
Maybe train 4~6 valks to complement LV5 giants. Yes, they cost some DE but they have HP like LV6 Giants and more DPS (plush splash dmg).
That's a good point. I never thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyobuae
If you look at their stats Lv6 Giants are really that stronger than Lv5s
Same for Loons 5/6 and Wizzs 4/5
Some troops don't have a very constant stats boost and some levels have a huge one while others have a little one
I always had to have 2 healers on my level 5 giants. With level 6 Giants just need 1 healer. They are a big improvement and definitely worth upgrading to right away!
did you use 2 healers with giants while farming at th8? im currently using only 1:straightface:Quote:
Originally Posted by raidingisfun
If I had level 6/7 giants in my cc I could usually get away with 1 depending on the base I was hitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiRoD
I'm a new th9, and agree with the posts above RE: giant as first troop to ug once your lab ug is completed. It's tank abilities (hitpoints) increase 40% (670 hps to 940 hps) over level5 (the most significant hps increase among all troops in the game b/t levels, I believe). Since you'll now have to contend with xbows (among other point defenses), the bump is invaluable (& it's easier to bully maxed th8s).
Once th10, however, level6 to level7 giants is not as significant (17% improvement to 1100 hps), but you'll most likely be maxing/relying on golems more at that point.
More giant info: http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Giant
L4 -> L5 on Barb, Archer, Wizard, & Goblin are all really big bumps and significantly improve their usefulness right away.
L4 -> L5 on Loons & Giants is nice but not super duper helpful or game changing.
L5 -> L6 on Loons & Giants both really, really rock which is why you want to get these to L5 at TH8 so you can upgrade them quickly at TH9.
I always backed my lvl5 giants with some wizards or valks. It also helps to take three or four hogs to finish of a wiz tower that is hitting your giants, that way when you drop your heal it heals the Giants, hogs and wizards all at once. I have not used a healer since TH6. My first upgrade at nine was the Giants and yes you can wreck almost any early or mid nine with them if you are a good attacker.
Healer LV4 gets the same 40% increase in HP and 30% increase in heal/sec, but costs half as much to upgrade (3 mill only, less than barb LV6!) and takes 3 days less to upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfritz
Of course, if a player can easily farm 6 mill needed for Giant LV6 then LV4 healer could be skipped.
L4 healer is needed for queen walks but beyond that L3s are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyobuae
After reading this I'm glad I decided this as my next upgrade a couple days ago.
L4 healer useful for more than healing AQ, you know. :smirk: L4 healer with L5 giants are probably just as good as L6 giants. Just gotta be wary of spring traps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klavious
I would not recommend using 2 healers at th8. At th6/7 one is good. At th8 I would carry one just in case the ad coverage is bad, but on most th8 bases it will not help ver much.
And yes lvl6 giants get 40% more hp and dps than lvl5 while lvl7 giants only get 17% but are still worth it.
And no lvl6 giants are not stronger against mid th9s, because xbows, additional defenses, 1 level for everything and especially stronger walls make it even harder.
I think your problem is that you still focus too much on your giants as damage dealers and yohr healers to keep them up. This does not work so well any more at th8. Giants are the tanks now and you need to spread them like dragons with barch behind. Also if you are in a lvl5 clan all th8s can donate each other lvl5 giants and I would always request lvl6 giants for farming.
Only troop you need is the goblin. The rest are just luxury troops.
I always recommend giants as the first th9 upgrade even for war clans. They make farming so much easier it is game changing. Be selfish for one upgrade before doing hogs.
Haha, love that way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TooBizar4u
TH9?
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Goblin'd!
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You're telling me you'd prefer to upgrade a non-attacking troop, which is susceptible to air targeting, over a ground tank which also has a 39% increase in DPS as your first lab project b/c it takes less elixir and fewer days to ug? Ok. Guess it all depends on your resources and priorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyobuae
Healer was my first upgrade both for TH8 and TH9, don't regret it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfritz
Not sure if you have seen the threads people make about being too hard to save up 6M elixir as a new TH9. For them it would be easier to upgrade L4 healer first and then raid with gibarch plus 2 or 4 healers.
In farm bases the AD is often the first defense neglected. Not hard to find bases with misplaced ADs or even with them outside. Giant-healer can capitalize on them.
Anyway, let me speak in terms you can probably understand. L4 Healers + any level AQ = massive loot with cheap army. 3x healer for attacking TH8 and 4x for attacking TH9. Even a new TH9 can take advantage of that.
You're just trying to be funny, right? (Not suggesting that you should have regrets - kind of odd since it's a progressive strategy game and there are no "wrong choices," imo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyobuae
As with any new TH upgrade, people are in a bit of shock at the new costs once upgraded, so no wonder they gravitate to the healer. And as we've witnessed more lately, people love to complain on threads.
As I stated, it's all about your resources and priorities (read: style of play). If folks want to put 30-40K elixir (3-4 healers) behind lvl1/2 AQs for barch/gibarch farming, go ahead. Not sure I agree with the math, as now you're looking for larger targets to offset your expenses with what probably could have been achieved by dropping a lvl5 giant to tank a few defenses and followed by 6 gobs per mine/collector (probably half the elixir cost/raid, if that).
My priority as a new TH9 was/is DE - with as few/efficient raids as possible. I want(ed) my AQ down upgrading non-stop to lvl10, which was accomplished in about a month. The giants upgrade allowed me to penetrate deeper to attack DE storage than any healer/low-lvl AQ combo. That's what I experienced to be efficient in terms of resources and time, based on my style of play.
Not looking for you to agree, and I get the healer idea. My comments were originally relevant to the OP's thoughts about lvl5 & lvl6 giants (but we digress). Happy clashing.