valk buff idea

so I was thinking of some ways to increase the valk's popularity and make them a formidable foe in war. I came up with these ideas and I would like some feedback.

• valks get a larger splash area. they can target buildings with one tile in between them and still be able to damage both.
• valks get a DPS boost (124 to 170 at max, same as lvl6 wiz)
• valks also get an HP boost (1200 to 1400 at max maybe?)
• reduced train time from 8 to 6 minutes
• increased housing space from 8 to 10 (I feel that they'd be OP if they stayed at 8 spaces with these changes)

so what do you guys think of these changes? great, OP, UP, etc?

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Originally Posted by sr55651

so I was thinking of some ways to increase the valk's popularity and make them a formidable foe in war. I came up with these ideas and I would like some feedback.

• valks get a larger splash area. they can target buildings with one tile in between them and still be able to damage both.
• valks get a DPS boost (124 to 170 at max, same as lvl6 wiz)
• valks also get an HP boost (1200 to 1400 at max maybe?)
• reduced train time from 8 to 6 minutes
• increased housing space from 8 to 10 (I feel that they'd be OP if they stayed at 8 spaces with these changes)

so what do you guys think of these changes? great, OP, UP, etc?

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Dps boost does not needed; they are already hit harder than pekka at th9

Hp boost does not needed; their hp at lv4 is already surpassed pekka lv3's by 20%

Reduce time training is not needed; SC ALREADY decrease it from 15 minutes.

Increase housing space is not needed, it's housing space and stats meant to match pekka's as three valk roughly equal one pekka in term of stats.

Larger attack radius, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED :D Although i'm not sure if they can hit more than two buildings at a time with their current AI even they increase it further, but at least valk can hit buildings behind and next to walls, which is awesome enough.

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Originally Posted by DrSalvador

Dps boost does not needed; they are already hit harder than pekka at th9

Hp boost does not needed; their hp at lv4 is already surpassed pekka lv3's by 20%

Reduce time training is not needed; SC ALREADY decrease it from 15 minutes.

Increase housing space is not needed, it's housing space and stats meant to match pekka's as three valk roughly equal one pekka in term of stats.

Larger attack radius, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED :D Although i'm not sure if they can hit more than two buildings at a time with their current AI even they increase it further, but at least valk can hit buildings behind and next to walls, which is awesome enough.

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it's more to make them viable at TH10 and to increase their popularity overall

I'd be happy if they simply got a speed boost.
Only problem I ever had with them was the time it took them to re-position between attacks.

Agreed that the Valk just needs range boost. Maybe per upgrade , it increases by 0.3 tiles ??

In such a way , she can cover many 3x3 at LV 4... I think she can destroy 6 mines / collectors if they are placed close together in a 3 by 2 matrix ... sweet !

Valks are absolute beasts. Check out Onehive and gadi hh footage. I use them on my 70k 30/30 th9 constantly.

is going through all these changes, why not just keep the valk and add a new troop?

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Originally Posted by Butthax

Valks are absolute beasts. Check out Onehive and gadi hh footage. I use them on my 70k 30/30 th9 constantly.

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Then let's make them become more beastly :3
An increased attack radius, increased speed,additional level, woohoooo

I'd love to see them hit buildings behind walls while they're busy tearing the walls apart in the middle of base, or 3-4 buildings in one blow without being too overpowered.

As troublesome as it is, people will have to design base that have huge gaps between buildings in order to counter it.

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Originally Posted by DrSalvador

Then let's make them become more beastly :3
An increased attack radius, increased speed,additional level, woohoooo

I'd love to see them hit buildings behind walls while they're busy tearing the walls apart in the middle of base, or 3-4 buildings in one blow without being too overpowered.

As troublesome as it is, people will have to design base that have huge gaps between buildings in order to counter it.

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My concern is this. In arranged wars in the fair play war community, every th9 gets 3 starred with 0-a few of the th10s having to drop down to clean up th9s. The war comes down to who can get the most th10 3 stars or a draw with the win going to the highest %2star on the th10s.

If valks are buffed at th9 then this will close the gap between the average clans and the top fair play clans. I can't imagine anything worse then getting % wins or winning by 1 th10 3 star vs a clan with the skill level of gowipers.

A better idea for me is simply an additional lvl of valks at th10 or a damage reduction vs infernos maybe. while not everyone is at this level, if you continue to play this is ultimately where you'll end up. So it does in the long run, effect everyone apart from the part timers and trophy pushers I guess.

Increased in damage radius sounds interesting.

Definitely they hey need a shorter training time, even if temporary, for people to give them a go.

if they are so good, why do I never see them used in attack in war?

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Originally Posted by George1971

Increased in damage radius sounds interesting.

Definitely they hey need a shorter training time, even if temporary, for people to give them a go.

if they are so good, why do I never see them used in attack in war?

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This is the very high end of th9 valk raids. Bit sloopy letting his healers die though.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s5UbGNg3Xcs

This is a more entry level valk raid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlLlRcWINQg

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Originally Posted by Theprimeone9

is going through all these changes, why not just keep the valk and add a new troop?

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No one uses the valk because, shes useless. She boring. Shes slow. Yes supercell, give her a buff PLEASE! The expanded damage radius is a good idea. At lease .5 tile from center. Units literally have to be stacked on top of each other for her range to hit them. Her cost to benefit ratio is terrible. Maybe that can be changed too. We see minions used. We see hogs used. Golems, witches, hounds, but how often do we see this obscure 3rd dark troop? Almost never.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

No one uses the valk because, shes useless. She boring. Shes slow. Yes supercell, give her a buff PLEASE! The expanded damage radius is a good idea. At lease .5 tile from center. Units literally have to be stacked on top of each other for her range to hit them. Her cost to benefit ratio is terrible. Maybe that can be changed too. We see minions used. We see hogs used. Golems, witches, hounds, but how often do we see this obscure 3rd dark troop? Almost never.

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Welcome to the forums pal. Have a look at the links above. Valks are used extensively in the war community.

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Originally Posted by George1971

Increased in damage radius sounds interesting.

Definitely they hey need a shorter training time, even if temporary, for people to give them a go.

if they are so good, why do I never see them used in attack in war?

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Because you haven't went to war against me, or against \/alhalla, or folkvangr. Thank you,

Check out death's door coc YouTube channel by nio, the author of the Valkyrie handbook

They are good for lower th's cc but yeah deffinitly a range boost and a special promotion (like the wiz) to shorten the time down to 2min or something so people can see how good they actually are. :)

The ONLY thing we need for valks is level 5. Increased range would be the stupidest thing for them; There a a lot of open bases at TH10-11. Would anyone really want to see Valks rip open large sections even quicker than they already can?
A lot of people who have never done more than 3 raids with Valkyrie will always say there needs to be some kind of buff.

Increased range would be ridiculous. I like seeing less Valk attacks, since we're normally seen as gods in war; "Dang, I got destroyed by a Valkyrie user..."

The Valkyrie is a very strong troop, learn to use her like you would any other troop.

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Originally Posted by Butthax

Welcome to the forums pal. Have a look at the links above. Valks are used extensively in the war community.

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Ive been in 33 wars, havent seen her used once.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

The ONLY thing we need for valks is level 5. Increased range would be the stupidest thing for them; There a a lot of open bases at TH10-11. Would anyone really want to see Valks rip open large sections even quicker than they already can?
A lot of people who have never done more than 3 raids with Valkyrie will always say there needs to be some kind of buff.

Increased range would be ridiculous. I like seeing less Valk attacks, since we're normally seen as gods in war; "Dang, I got destroyed by a Valkyrie user..."

The Valkyrie is a very strong troop, learn to use her like you would any other troop.

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I've been warring for 3 years, with total war around 300-400, only seen about five-six valkyrie war attacks at th8-9, although I've been using them since I maxed them frequently.

Of course anyone loves to see valkyries rip open large section even more quicker; people just have to design base that has two gaps between buildings and walls to counter it.

And I've been using valkyries for more than hundreds times. They're rather useless against IT.

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Originally Posted by DrSalvador

I've been warring for 3 years, with total war around 300-400, only seen about five-six valkyrie war attacks at th8-9, although I've been using them since I maxed them frequently.

Of course anyone loves to see valkyries rip open large section even more quicker; people just have to design base that has two gaps between buildings and walls to counter it.

And I've been using valkyries for more than hundreds times. They're rather useless against IT.

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Youve been warring since before the war update was released? Nice

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Originally Posted by Butthax

Youve been warring since before the war update was released? Nice

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Eh? Then probably two years :3 At least before thay introduce lava hound

Maybe get rid of her stupid spin attack and just have her attack 2x faster. Make her attack animation cooler.

Or have her attack 3 times faster and make her housing space 10. That would be badass watching her chop through archers at 3x attack speed when she is defending.

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Originally Posted by sr55651

so I was thinking of some ways to increase the valk's popularity and make them a formidable foe in war. I came up with these ideas and I would like some feedback.

• valks get a larger splash area. they can target buildings with one tile in between them and still be able to damage both.
• valks get a DPS boost (124 to 170 at max, same as lvl6 wiz)
• valks also get an HP boost (1200 to 1400 at max maybe?)
• reduced train time from 8 to 6 minutes
• increased housing space from 8 to 10 (I feel that they'd be OP if they stayed at 8 spaces with these changes)

so what do you guys think of these changes? great, OP, UP, etc?

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Gave me a boner

Been saying we need a lvl 5-6 valk. They would be much more popular at end game. It would make building bases harder but it's def a need we have at th11. Basically you build to defend mass witch or laloon. You see the same 5 th11 war bases. It's boring.

Anyways, time to put this thread to bed. Supercell will never buff a troop that isn't broken. Not going to happen. If you don't think valks are any good then you simply don't know how to use them.

The general consensus though is that additional levels will bring her back at end game. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

Ive been in 33 wars, havent seen her used once.

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Try gowipe with backend valks they are beasts if you know how to use them... i'm with others, just add a level

I agree many do not use Valks. But in my clan, the majority of our TH9s use valks, and they get 3* almost every time. I think it would be better to just introduce a new valk level altogether at TH10, as they are used even less at TH10. Besides, an offense buff at TH10 is needed (tried 3*ing max th10s lately?).

EDIT: Valks are also amazing for defense. Their DPS, HP and splash make them the best troop to defend my village against all those barch and gibarch attacks. Unfortunetly, no one ever uses them unless its in a war, so I don't request those often unless I have an hour to wait for someone to cook them.

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Originally Posted by jzitovsky

I agree many do not use Valks. But in my clan, the majority of our TH9s use valks, and they get 3* almost every time. I think it would be better to just introduce a new valk level altogether at TH10, as they are used even less at TH10. Besides, an offense buff at TH10 is needed (tried 3*ing max th10s lately?).

EDIT: Valks are also amazing for defense. Their DPS, HP and splash make them the best troop to defend my village against all those barch and gibarch attacks. Unfortunetly, no one ever uses them unless its in a war, so I don't request those often unless I have an hour to wait for someone to cook them.

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Valks are ez to counter when in cc. All you do is drop about 15 archers in a circle around her to kill her easily. And at higher lvls poison knocks her out no problem. The ai on her sucks. For her to be effective she has to position herself just right between buildings. Alot of times she doesnt. It would be so much better just to increase her attack speed where she can just go building to building chopping away fast like the warrior she is then watching her try to set up between buildings and do her little spin move that takes 3 seconds. You know what would be cool is if she moved and attacked faster as her health goes down. Like she starts to get enraged. Like lets say 50% health her attack speed increases 30% and move speed 15%. then at 20% health attack speed increases to 40% and move speed 25%. That would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

Valks are ez to counter when in cc. All you do is drop about 15 archers in a circle around her to kill her easily. And at higher lvls poison knocks her out no problem. The ai on her sucks. For her to be effective she has to position herself just right between buildings. Alot of times she doesnt. It would be so much better just to increase her attack speed where she can just go building to building chopping away fast like the warrior she is then watching her try to set up between buildings and do her little spin move that takes 3 seconds. You know what would be cool is if she moved and attacked faster as her health goes down. Like she starts to get enraged. Like lets say 50% health her attack speed increases 30% and move speed 15%. then at 20% health attack speed increases to 40% and move speed 25%. That would be cool.

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That would be cool. But as this troop is already used in 3 star raids at th8 and 9, supercell will never buff her. Just need to work on your execution. YouTube is your friend. Just need lvl5 for th10.

I think they should be immune to spring traps. That is one of the reasons i dont use the valkyrie.

We dont see valks used in attacking. So ,by doing that they will be polar for attacks.

Just get rid of her spin attack and the terrible ai that goes along with it and just increase her attackspeed 2.5x and make her housing 10 and give her a lvl 5 already. That solves so many problems. Youre welcome.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

Just get rid of her spin attack and the terrible ai that goes along with it and just increase her attackspeed 2.5x and make her housing 10 and give her a lvl 5 already. That solves so many problems. Youre welcome.

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Nope, give them lvl 5 @ TH10 and leave the housing space as-is. For faster attacking, use haste - valks're probably the only ground units that it's worthwhile hasting.

Let her swing her axe to weakest building around when she dies and she will be used more :P

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Originally Posted by lamalogi

I think they should be immune to spring traps. That is one of the reasons i dont use the valkyrie.

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I can understand the feeling, but honestly, spring traps aren't that bad. Most of the time, Valkyries just run over them; and even when they do get caught, their 8 housing space means only one gets thrown.

Join the Valk users...you cannot resist...

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Originally Posted by Aspex

Nope, give them lvl 5 @ TH10 and leave the housing space as-is. For faster attacking, use haste - valks're probably the only ground units that it's worthwhile hasting.

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No. I say faster attack speed. Haste only increases move speed. Not attack speed. She will just run through it and it wont affect her like it does loons. Maybe that is one thing they could upgrade. Haste spell now increases attack speed 30 40 50 60 %.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

No. I say faster attack speed. Haste only increases move speed. Not attack speed. She will just run through it and it wont affect her like it does loons. Maybe that is one thing they could upgrade. Haste spell now increases attack speed 30 40 50 60 %.

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If they make the Haste also increase attack speed, it would be similar to raging. More damage within a short time period.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

No. I say faster attack speed. Haste only increases move speed. Not attack speed. She will just run through it and it wont affect her like it does loons. Maybe that is one thing they could upgrade. Haste spell now increases attack speed 30 40 50 60 %.

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But increasing the valks movement speed speeds up her positioning/re-positioning which acts as an attack speed increase without technically being one - drop it on a cluster of buildings to see what I mean.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

If they make the Haste also increase attack speed, it would be similar to raging. More damage within a short time period.

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Here is an ez way to fix her. 1-give her an extra .5 tile radius to attack. 2- 2x damage to walls. 3- rescale her lvl up to 100 damage 1000 health lvl 1, 110 damage 1150 health lvl 2, 130 damage 1300 health lvl 3, 150 damage 1450 health lvl 4, 175 damage 1600 health lvl 5. De cost change to 70 lvl1, 90 lvl2, 120 lvl3, 140 lvl4, 150 lvl5.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

Here is an ez way to fix her. 1-give her an extra .5 tile radius to attack. 2- 2x damage to walls. 3- rescale her lvl up to 100 damage 1000 health lvl 1, 110 damage 1150 health lvl 2, 130 damage 1300 health lvl 3, 150 damage 1450 health lvl 4, 175 damage 1600 health lvl 5. De cost change to 70 lvl1, 90 lvl2, 120 lvl3, 140 lvl4, 150 lvl5.

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Only one of them should be implemented.
Increased attack radius OR decreased cost

Increase attack speed after each successive attack by 20% to a max of 120%. Then when she moves or repositions, it resets to 0. So its like this, first attack is at normal speed, then the second, if she hasnt moved, is 20% faster. The the third attack is 40% faster, then 60%, then 80%, then 100% then 120%. She will continue to attack at the speed until she moves. Then it goes back to 0 and starts over. You guys at SC can figure out how to balance her out, but increasing her attack speed after each attack would really make her useful, cool and much more original.

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Originally Posted by Cocthinkengine

Increase attack speed after each successive attack by 20% to a max of 120%. Then when she moves or repositions, it resets to 0. So its like this, first attack is at normal speed, then the second, if she hasnt moved, is 20% faster. The the third attack is 40% faster, then 60%, then 80%, then 100% then 120%. She will continue to attack at the speed until she moves. Then it goes back to 0 and starts over. You guys at SC can figure out how to balance her out, but increasing her attack speed after each attack would really make her useful, cool and much more original.

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Have you missed the last 5 pages of comments? You CANNOT buff a troop that is already used extensively in 3 star strats. That would make it far too easy at th8 and 9. Lvl5 for th10, that's all we need.

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Originally Posted by Butthax

Have you missed the last 5 pages of comments? You CANNOT buff a troop that is already used extensively in 3 star strats. That would make it far too easy at th8 and 9. Lvl5 for th10, that's all we need.

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And... Reduce cost too. :)
70, 85, 110, 140, 170