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If you want to trophy hunt like a boss, you need a good base.
As others have said, to get a good base, you will need to farm at some point.
you have done well to get to 2400 at th7.
But if you don't like being attacked higher level players i can't see you withstanding the effort it takes to max th8 & above.
'Mummy mummy th10 beat me after I kicked him.'
Man up.
if u say most th10s are premature then why do u say its impossible to defend...Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Who's that? Post a linkie???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mufasa
Lol nice logic...Quote:
Originally Posted by UnicornzFTW
To OP.
I understand your frustration about the situation. You fight hard and well to achieve so high trophies so you should be rewarded. I think the loot bonus is sufficient reward but I understand your point as well. The revenge trophy rewards are unfair for anyone trying to go high up (and also staying in sub200) but should it be TH level difference related, too?
Perhaps writing the ideas on how to improve the system to the suggestions area would be more beneficial. Also, with a different tone of the post, you would have achieved quite different response from many people here. I did not read by far all the posts between the first page and here, so I don't know for sure what has been said so far. But the feel I get from the few posts I skimmed through, others aren't overly eager to hear the core of your idea but instead reply in kind... Fire with fire.
Number 1 problem here? Your trophies, as many have said before. 1,200 is good for TH 7. Barbarians and Archers are a much more efficient army than your current one, and spells are a big no-no. TH 7 defenses are meant to be effective in repelling enemies at up to 1,650 trophies, and you're almost 1,000 above that. So quit whining and drop your trophies. ;)
Well said OJM
Maybe because crystal is easy to get above TH 7?Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Ironic how you're busting on gemmers, as you are one yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
You have to gem to get 4 builders. I'm a gemmer too, but I've only used them to get my 5 builders.Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Hats off to the OP for actually playing the game how SC intended it to be played (they did want us to use the league system.....didn't they?). Quite an achievement for a TH7 no less. But the simple fact of the matter is; the league system absolutely sucks and should not be relied on for gaining loot.
As others have aggressively suggested, your best option is to drop way back in trophies and farm like the rest of us, that thing where you bully and pick on lower level players with gold and pink walls.
No you have to gem to get 2 builders....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishfam
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Originally Posted by farikoparasite
"Not fair, I want everything to go my way without any consequence" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Fail thread.
Why are you talking to yourself? >Trollface<Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
The league bonuses are worthless, you know. 29K? You could easily have 290K added to your average raid if you went to either the sub-200 range or the 1,200-1,350 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Gemming is paying for gems. You get the second builder with free gems, hence it's not gemming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonameentered
Hahaha couldn't agree with you more. People, lets give a little credit to this guy for being at crystal 1 with th7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reznor
As Herp noted, smells like a troll. An apparently very successful thread, too. :)
Worst whinge ever :D
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Originally Posted by Reznor
I don't believe anyone here stated that this wasn't an outstanding achievement, the issue is that he believes that he should be able to continue climbing without the loss of any substantial cup count. With his penalty suggestion, TH7's would be able to surpass trophy ranges that higher level TH's have difficulty maintaining. And that's where my "i want" statements came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thin2223u
I should be able to pick a fight with Rambo and not get hurt because hes bigger than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
At risk of repeating myself, the loot bonuses and penalties should be removed over a certain trophy count.
It is beyond ludicrous that something designed to protect lower town halls from being farmed now act as an aid in trophy pushes.
Plus it would be hilarious to see the reaction from the op if he had had a decent amount robbed from him as well as his beloved trophies.
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Originally Posted by EnjoyLife
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Originally Posted by mxa
This game is less fun to be at 2.4k for a TH7 buddy. I respect your ability to reach such trophy in your level however if you dont drop your trophy level to a lower stage it will be even more annoying trying to maintain your score level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MintberryCrunch
I was pretty much having a gripe at SC more than anything. I just don't think people should get kicked in the pants because they play the game the way the developers intended us to. But I think Zach has covered that area pretty well in another thread so never mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herpacleese
Are you talking about people who don't spend a lot of money or spent no money, because getting five builders without spending any money is hard unless they only have three or four builders which would make it hard to get to TH10.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnjoyLife
That's kinda what you get to going to 2400 trophies at TH7, if you're trophy hunting go down to about 1800 as a TH7, and even better start farming at 1400 to get to TH8 and TH9 so you can truly start trophy hunting at high trophy levels and stand a chance.
The guy who made this thread strikes me as one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered.
OP clearly had neglected the defensive side of COC.
Your only a TH LVL 7... You're way out of your trophy range... Stop blaming others for your actions.
As a TH 7 it is impossible, absolutely impossible, for you to get as much loot above 1800 trophies as you could get beneath 1800 trophies. This is an undeniable fact of life.
As a TH 7 it is impossible to get high enough in trophies for anyone to care. Tell me once you get past 3500 trophies and I might actually give one. Trophy hunting at noob level aka lvl 53 TH 7 is pointless and self defeating. This is an undeniable fact of life.
when somone revenges you u get extra trophies like i 3 a th8 (im a 7) during a revenge and gained 50 trophies
OPs logic is flawless
-goes up in trophies probably knowing bases are tougher
-steals ludicrous amounts of resources because of loot bonuses
-whines when people revenge him for a fraction of the loot he stole
/logic
SuperCell need to face the reality that they aren't providing their customers with sufficient in-game information to know how to play this game properly. Even those that visit the forums regularly (which is probably < 0.01% of their customer base) still don't know the basic rules of this game.
I also had a TH7 in my clan above 2000 trophies too, he had no idea about different trophy ranges, loot bonuses etc.
Yes, TH7 would be more suitable to farm at around 1100 trophies, but would he know that he's supposed to purposely lose trophies to be there? Put yourself in his shoes, i'm sure you were the same way before you became forum trolls.
He seems he's aware that his defenses suck, he's complaining about the amount of trophies he loses because he's being revenged by people he beat on his way up to 2k+ trophies.
If PlayerA attacked PlayerB (both around 1200 trophies) and won or lost 12 trophies, then 3 weeks later PlayerA climbed up to 2400 trophies, then PlayerB revenged PlayerA for 45 trophies, does that seem fair? I think not. Why should he be punished more because he climbed trophies?
Sorry, but your logic is FAIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHKany
Most people would be climbing trophies because they are trying to win their battles. Most are not aware of the rules in this game.
At his trophy range, people don't leave their loot outside, and I rarely see much in collectors either.
He's not just losing his trophies in revenges, he's getting 3 star by people, losing his resources too.
You don't know how much loot he stole from them, don't be a ♥♥♥♥ stirrer by making assumptions.
Personally I am a TH8 and I farm at 1100-1250 trophies, which is optimal for the best loot counts and the advantage of not having to use expensive troops like P.E.K.K.A.S. or Dragons (Not that expensive but expensive compared to other troops) So get down a thousand trophies or so and then you will find the game easier....
Fair points..good post Troy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TroyParry
♥♥♥♥ did you even see the first page where he stole 800k/700something k/800 delixir whilst pompously claiming "heard of loot bonuses"? I can pretty safely assume that he wants that loot. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TroyParry
But based on what your wrote you probably just skipped to the back of the thread.
Sure losing 45 trophies is frustrating but being a TH7 he shouldn't even be up there in the first place. Loot bonuses are tempting but if you go up there and steal huge amounts of loot dont expect no retaliation. OP should know what he is getting into and if he doesn't well tough luck, deal with it. In all of his three stars he didnt lose more than 100k resources so "poor poor OP" right?
man, what an achievement for TH7 especially by beating higher TH..congrats!
so many negativity on this thread maybe because mostly are higher TH than you but don't have any guts doing the same.. keep on rolling man
The flaming has gone long enough. From seeing this thread, OP should now realize the game is not just about raiding others but also getting raided yourself... so stop crying like a baby if you get raided because it's part of the game and you're in a territory of high leveled players so get used to being 3 starred.
End of ♥♥♥♥ing discussion
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I think it is totally fair that a better opponent can take you down a notch when you are totally out of your league.:p
The only thing that affects trophies gained/lost is what trophy level the attacker and defender have. Revenges or townhall level has absolutely no effect on how many trophies you gain or lose in a attack or defend.Quote:
Originally Posted by szaxtar
Ive got alot of clan mates that have no clue what loot penalty means and up untill a few months back neither did i till i decided i would check the forums out i was amazed on what supercell hides from the players...
But that being said ive learnt alot from the forums and definatly thank each and everyone individual who has posted helpfull information such as loot penalty bam army gowipe army etc....
To the OP just drop cups...problem solved ...
Matchmaking is basd on trophies. Drop them and it will be much easier. Also, id like to see a pic of the base
The thing unfair for me is I climb my way up for trophy , n I change my base to trophy base ofcos , n the players that I attacked from 1500+ just revenge me when m at crystal 3 /2 , they can't even one star me for sure but what they did were just take tons of my resources n that lure out the cc troops , they killed the cc troops even my king&queen , what did I get? 1 trophy ? NO , I got 0 trophy , n is it fair? I
Same thing happened to me yesterday/today.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperJia
I climbed from 1400 to 2k+ yesterday. First defense I won 0 trophies against someone who had 1377. 2nd defense I won 0 trophies against someone who had 1498. So now they can revenge lightning me without suffering much trophy loss!
That's unfair?
I work my socks off to attack a TH 9 with good, but overall good defenses, and gained like 850 DE. He revenges with 3 lightning strikes and takes 950 back. :mad:
Edit: Typo.
after reading this im putting my townhall inside lol Goodluck!
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Originally Posted by DHKany
You are arguing based on a flaw logic called "right trophy range for TH lvl [xx] which is based on another flawed logic called "winning is not winning". It's pretty similar to what the female chinese badminton teams did on the Olympic Games in London to face easier half final opponents. Losing to get a benefit... which is the same people (called farmer) are doing in Clash of Clans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBird
However the game doesn't prevent anyone from reaching higher trophies, it's purely left to the attacking and the defending player. If someone can find "easy" premature higher TH bases which he can raid with his lower level troops and get significant loot from it.. good for him and "deserved" loss for the premature TH [xy] which still is having gold walls (like in the picture posted). Facing a "stronger" enemy should wield a bonus naturally. To determine if it's fair to judge a base based on the TH level or on the player level.... I think it's fair to say that basing it on the TH level is correct as people did already gem a village to the max (TH9) and were at a low level such as 50-60.
The point is that the game is giving trophies for winning but never tells anyone that, by doing so, you will reach a possible trophy range which is bad for you. This is due to the fact that you don't face the same TH level but also higher and lower ones. It's a "feeding off the weak" rather than challenge vs. reward... . Why spending over an hour to build an army to defeat a "better" player if you can spend 20 mins to raid a lower TH level for more loot? Does make sense to anyone?
The only solution for this is very simple, TH can only attack/ defend vs. their own TH level. In this way even a TH7 can be at whatever trophy range and be "the best" of all TH7, something applicable for all TH ranges and an additional motivation to max your base if further rewards are involved in having the top three spots of your TH level trophy range.
I definately agree that a higher lvl TH should have the same malus applied to the trophies as they have to the loot vs. lower level TH's based on the simple fact that they have stronger and more troops at their disposal, making a successful defence impossible if the attacker knows what he is doing. If a lower TH level can steal a higher TH levels loot... good for him, the higher TH should built his base in a better way.
damn, that hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by cezarica
Would not such a system punish very harshly those, who did upgrade their TH more early than others? CoC isn't a linear progression game, so matching people purely on the TH level in the current system would not work in any way. Some upgrade their TH and units just to be able to beat up the smaller ones easily and there's nothing wrong in that, in the current system. Sure, it isn't "fair" but that's always how games work, unless one is playing in more professional league, where opponents are picked according to their own level.Quote:
Originally Posted by PololoP
But, as CoC the opponents are picked randomly from a ladder, where everyone can decide where they stand themselves, I find the system very functional. The sub200 is bit... strange, but why not :) In every game there are those, who enjoy to compete against others, who are of equal "level" and also those, who enjoy smacking the noobs. CoC serves both equally well, I think.
Everyone can play the game how ever they want and the loot bonus/penalty does guide people to make an appropriate choise whom to attack. But if you are aiming for cups, bigger is better and a low level TH will get smacked six ways to sundays when going over 2k. Go right ahead if you want to compete with the big boys with own playhouse, but don't get all angry when someone steps on you like an ant.
As there really isn't enough resources available in the game, the only way to feed a TH9&10 is to either gem or farm. You can't progress in the game higher up with the "normal" resource flow.
I have a very simple belief.
Trophies won can be lost, and trophies lost can be won back; Gold spent on walls will never be looted away.
And that's why I am always farming.
Most of the time i farm for gold. Sometimes i go up to 2200 to farm for DE. At higher trophy, i usually find it harder to get gold. Even though there is league bonus, the gold i get is miserable compared to the gold I can get at lower trophy range.
But things are different for the OP. He gets huge loot bonus on top of the league bonus. Yet he complained that it is unfair. And this confuses me.
Is he a farmer? If he is, then why did he complain he lost so many trophies? Is he trophy hunting? If he is, then why did he show us the loots he gained while whining about the trohies he lost?
Maybe the OP is very lost about what he is doing too. Maybe he wants to enjoy a "trophy bonus" although he is already enjoying his loot bonus. Maybe that's why he called himself a parasite lol
^ parasite is a pro MLG COD player
Aren't people upgrading early already punished in the current system because of the loot penalty? (Supercell still didn't put a warning in place, saying what is going to happen if you upgrade your TH and no... I should not be required to read through a forum to gain the information for a free app which is kinda essential to the step to upgrade your TH = playing the game :rolleyes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
What are trophies again for if only the top top top players are getting gems... oh, right, the pitiful trophy rank "reward" of nonexistence where as I can use black goo at TH7 and 8 but really at "their" trophy rank range isn't any black goo rewarded. Doesn't really make much sense either does it? :rolleyes:
What is with these "higher" TH's feeding off lower TH's.... isn't that kinda "dumbing" down the game?, well of course it is by it's own definition. It's not enough that those paying gems are getting rewarded with the "best of the best", no, they have to get 2 years for free just for the money spent (2 years isn't that small amount of time especially for an app or game in general) and are the only one competing with each other for a (for them) useless gem reward.
Now... if we look at competitions where different "level" of competitors are competing with each other like golf or sailing... are those with a "higher" level rewarded for beating a "lower" level competitor? No... not at all. They have to make more! to compete with lower competitors based on their level vs. the other level. We surely can continue to live in a "feeding off the weaker competition", pretending that changing the system isn't possible because "so many would get punished for upgrading early" though in the long run... many times more than this number are punished from the get go eventually growing tired of it and leaving the game, especially since the road continues to become exponentially (not linear!) longer with every update.
There is a general "unsatisfaction" growing usually around TH7, more at TH8 and much more at TH9 because... why bother playing for trophies as you can't compete with the top ranks anyway and well... farming for two years constantly, fun surely does look different because that's what it should be about... fun. Not the waiting for days and days for something to upgrade only to be put back with almost monthly updates. Why shouldn't someone who spent 2 years of his life farming and upgrading not be able to compete with someone spending 1 day of gemming to get the same base? Right... doesn't make any sense either and for so many "not making any sense" I dropped my daily playtime of around 5-10 hours to mere 15minutes because just emptying my collectors does eventually generate enough resources to upgrade these 10-12 days long upgrades. :o
So if I'm reading this right, and do correct me if I'm wrong, you are unhappy about the huge gap between gemmers and non-gemmers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PololoP
I'm myself on the way down from 2500 (as high as I got with the current build and resources) and there the wall is starting to be so steep, that without gems, even a small amount, the way is pretty much shut. Sure, slowly I might have gotten even higher but elixir hitting almost 0 and lab screaming for more juice, it was a great time for the push to end.
Now I am not entirely sure how closely this is related to the OP's issue, but sure, I'll dig in to this line of thought :rolleyes: Yes, the gap is huge. Yes, farming takes years to keep up and more updates make the gap even bigger. Yes, gemming can easily replace a year of gaming in an eyeblink. Yes, the league bonus are a joke. Would I like to see at least some of those things to change for "better"? Of course.
But then... So what? I'm slowly building up my place from ground up while chatting with my clannies. I saw the huge amount of gemmed bases up there and have 0 intention of doing that. I think quite many here see the game bit like I do. It's the slow progess that makes it enjoyable and competing to be #1 in the world is never even the intent. I highly doubt, that SC would change the game so radically, that farmers could actually compete in even ground with gemmers and I think that's ok.
CoC isn't quite like golf and such games, where skill matters. It's more like car racing, where you have to have a great car (not cheap) to be able to compete. No matter how good driver you are, with crappy car, you aren't gonna make it. So you either a) dish out the cash and buy the Porche or b) keep scavenging the spare parts for your Toyota and hope to win ;) of course you can go halfway or even more extremes, but hey, it's a "free" game :p
Yea the loot bonus has completely ruined my game... I am town hall lvl ten which I spnt money to get and now my game is ruined because i cannot farm resources to keep building.... This game is a joke now thanks for your hidden rules ruining my game.... Wish I could undo my town hall upgrad
A trophy bonus :D Nobody would ever level up their Town Hall if that ludicrous idea was ever implemented.
One of the biggest barriers to trophy pushing is the draining of resource. TH7, with the game protecting the likkle babies, have far less issues with resource depletion.
Just imagine a protection of their trophies as well, not only would they be swimming in gold and elixir, they could attack once or twice a day and continually rise up in trophies.
Remove all protection and bonuses above a certain trophy level. TH7's are exploiting a game mechanic designed for something entirely different. If they want to mix it with the big boys stop holding their hands while they do it.
@OJM I didn't know that someone like Schumacher paid Bernie Ecclestone several Billions to be put in a Ferrari and gain 5 World Champion Title. ;)
Btw. I'm not unhappy over a game, I just find it funny to argue that a higher TH level should get the same amount of cups from a lower level TH just because they are in the same trophy range, a range which is more or less set by the amount of players with lower TH staying in a certain range of cups. I have no problems if a premature TH gets smacked because even if people don't know what a higher TH lvl means regarding loot bonus, they very well do understand that someone spending more time upgrading their defensive buildings/ units will be more successfull rather than someone only upgrading his TH. It's a no brainer.
@Growler any TH level except the highest will hit their cap eventually because they won't fight any villages anymore to successfully attack, means they'll be stuck at whatever trophy range and to successfully upgrade their defenses will have to drop down and gain resources and let's not forget, a TH7 is maxed out fairly quick. Therefore... anyone there can enjoy his/ her time there but it is only for so long as not upgrading is not an option except you'll happy with maxed village, maxed resources and 2500 trophies with no one to attack for a trophy gain.
Ferrari did pay. Get a sponsor if you don't want to spend own money ;) Someone always has to dish out the big bucks to compete in just about any sport in world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by PololoP
Go up in TH if your own low TH gets smacked. It's an easy fix and everyone who wants to compete has to do it. Sure, you can go race with your 125cc against 500cc folks but you're gonna lose :cool:
People who did upgrade their TH did it for a reason: to go up. Why would you deny them the benefit when they paid for their effort with either time or money?
I find it amusing, when people want to get all the perks and bonuses of low TH, high TH defences and ability to get up and stay up in cups AND punish those, who did go higher up in TH. Sure, you could gem a fully maxed out Th7 and then gem troops and go really high up. But you will get smacked silly the second you log out.
Your not getting what the OP is trying to say, like most posts in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
He is not talking about a trophy bonus. He is complaining that they can lose 45 trophies in a revenge. I too think this is a flaw in CoC. The rewarded trophies in a revenge should be based on the players trophy count of the first attack.
What if Kemal attacks some one at 4000 and that guy goes sub200 and revenges him. Would it be fair if Kemal loses ....
How many trophies would he lose?
Which is artificially increased by protections and bonuses, simply because they are less developed. Remove them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PololoP
Not true at all, he is moaning about being smacked about by higher town halls. The trophy system is fine as it is, as it should, in practice, mean that you are gaining less trophies from weaker opponents and more from stronger opponents, and at the end of the day you level out at where you should be. The OP was clearly higher in trophies that he should have been when compared to his attacker and was spanked accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by xaboetje
No idea what happens with your Kemal suggestion, though I guess there is a limit to how many you could lose.
http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/R...osing_TrophiesQuote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Read.
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55 trophies is the max i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by xaboetje
Op is a premature th7 and wants to become world number one by spamming some dragons and doesn't want others to attack him
Two things...Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
1/ Dont attack people that you think can smack you about in a revenge...its a bit like picking a fight with a UFC fighter...unless you know what you are doing, don't...and even if you know what you are doing, probably best not to! It might feel good getting the first punch in, you may even give them a bloody nose, but you don't want to be there when they slowly straighten their head, wipe the blood off their face with the back of a massive fist and then crack their knuckles....lol
2/ If you can njot defend at your level, go lower until you improve your base...The TH10 may well be a farmer so unless you want them to focus on you, dont start fights you cant finish...
PS, never saw your trophy count...you are doing well at TH7, im most impressed...but yeah, time to come back down to a place where you dont get three starred every fight.
Everyone will go up eventually, yet that is no excuse for a higher TH getting 45 cups off a lower TH level... which is what this thread is about. It's not about getting "everything" as a halfway decent higher TH won't have any problems vs. a lower TH loot wise (you probably should go back to the picture he posted.... that higher TH has still gold walls)Quote:
Originally Posted by OJM
Getting smacked by a higher TH is not the issue still... the issue is a higher TH shouldn't get that many trophies for smacking a lower TH, a rather simple request when you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
A higher TH has potentially the upper hand in any way except they upgrade early for which they'll face a loot bonus from lower TH's vs. their own TH level.
I think it's pretty fair to say that, if you are being beaten by a bicycle because you never drove a car before and finish your ferrari in a wall... you clearly have to learn how to drive first.
And... let's not kid ourselves here.... if a TH 10 goes down to 1400 and farms there... is he getting the same amount of cups as he would get at a lower TH?... Well yeah he is, isn't he?
I think this image illustrates my feels about this thread, just a lil suggestion :rolleyes:
http://dudelol.com/img/you-can-preve...hewing-gum.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...MM-xCP-KU1x-CNQuote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
This game is like this if u dont wnt to lose 45 then drop ur trophies ir improve ur defences this the the most fair gameQuote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Life's unfair citizen....deal with it.
DREDD
woooohooooo that's a ton of loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by farikoparasite
Everyone gets equally treated by revenges on cups. Don't want to be revenged by TH10? Don't attack one. Simple and efficient. You want to go play in the big leagues and push some big people off from your way, odds are, you are going to get smacked silly now and then. I think this same idea, what I'm saying has been mentioned countless times on this thread already, but it seems to sink in poorly.Quote:
Originally Posted by PololoP
Fight someone your own size OR face the consequences on fighting someone bigger or smaller. Nobody is going to force you to attack bigger ones nor smaller ones for that matter. Everyone can play as fair or unfair this game. I, for example, like to bloon places with really poorly made air defences down with only few bloons to show what happens when you fail badly at air defence.
Like mentioned before, if you go pick a fight in real life with someone way bigger and skilled than you... Stupidity is the only universal crime. And no, I'm calling anyone stupid. Just saying it's your own fault if you get beaten on revenge by someone bigger.
tl;dr
where'd OP go
Just a general rant thread this one now really isn't it.
Or should I say "wasn't it"