New Ability: Eagle Artillery Strike.

Note: How you obtain, and keep this ability is complicated, but the reason for that is so having this ability becomes a risk reward system so keep that in mind when considering this.
The main reason is to help improve loot. Just give it a read.

Eagle Artillery Strike

Unlocked: TH 9
(The reason for it being unlocked there will be made clear later, but it has to do with the loot.)

Ability: When selected in your troop tray you can tap the screen, like any spell, and will deploy a Eagle Artillery Strike on that area. The strength of this ability is increased by the amount of loot you have saved in your both Gold, and Elixir storages.

Note: Understand that when intially unlocked this strike only fires one shot vs 3 shots the Eagle Artillery normally fires at TH 11.

Stats:
Lvl 1, One Shot = 250 Damage
Lvl 2, One Shot= 300 Damage
One Use a raid
One hour cool down

Gold&Elixir Storage Capacity	Unlocks
Tier 1: 20%	1 shot per use
Tier 2: 40%	2 shots per use
Tier 3: 60%	3 shots per use
Tier 4: 80%	Every shot upgraded to do Lvl 2 Damage

-IMPORTANT: To restate a point, You can ONLY have this ability if you have BOTH gold, and elixir to the required above percentages. NOT Dark Elixir. This is so to keep DE a rare resource (because people will want to save loot for this ability) while also making this ability useful for DE farming possibly.

Reasoning, and Details:

-The reason for this Ability at all is, regardless if you feel there is or isn't a loot problem, it's my attempt at a solution to help better the loot situation.
I am a TH8, and I know the loot is easy to obtain here. However from what I have gather, among players I have met on the forums, in the game, what I have read the loot seems hard to obtain at Town halls 9-11. Thus why it is unlocked at TH9. I understand I am only one person with only one point of view so I will say again this is just my attempt to help whether there is a issue or not a issue.

-This is idea is planning to encourage players to save loot so they have access to this ability, not only for the fun of having it, but for its use. Which, in turn, allows other players to raid their bases for thier saved loot which is where the risk, and reward aspect comes in.

-However, since war players have enough complaints, I don't think this should be used in War only in raids.

-The reason for the percentages of 20% to 80% is because this ability becomes essentially useless when you have full loot on either Gold, and Elixir.

-In the case of when you use resources, if your loot goes down below a tier percentage then the ability gets downgraded. For example, lets say you have both your gold and elixir at 40%. You then use your gold to upgrade your walls, but only use enough gold that your gold storage is STILL above 20%. In cases like that, you still keep the ability, but you will keep the lowest tier and your Eagle Strike will only be as powerful as it is in Tier 1. IF you HAD used enough gold that it lowered it below 20% you would lose the ability entirely. So bottom line, both of your storages must be at the required percentage to have or upgrade the ability.

-If you have noticed, a shot of EA is equal to how it is at TH11. I did not account to modify the damage this shot does per TH level simply because that would complicate the idea that much more. Therefore to keep it simple, I left the damage this way. Of course it will need to be balanced across the TH Levels. So when considering this Ability understand (No duh) it needs to be balanced.
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I'm aware of concerns to the recent buff to the Eagle Artillery. This idea has NOTHING to do with the Eagle Artillery so please, if you have an opinion with that defense please look at this without your biases. Then give me feedback whether the concept WOULD work to get players to save loot or just be a nice ability to have overall.
Love it?
Hate it?
This is my attempt to help so please give constructive feedback.

If you don't like this idea, try taking a look at my other attempt at a solution. See my Signature "Adding interest on collectors." Leave a comment there too. I am trying my hardest to help.

I am not a fan sorry. First off, the eagle artillery was a horrible defense choice by supercell in the first place, and the best way to make up for it isn't by just giving everyone eagle artillery rounds in their attack. We already have lighting spell for this sort of thing anyways. The EA should be nerfed again, by only allowing it to target high hit point units/heroes, and decreasing the range to less than the entire map.

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Originally Posted by SirClash

I am not a fan sorry. First off, the eagle artillery was a horrible defense choice by supercell in the first place, and the best way to make up for it isn't by just giving everyone eagle artillery rounds in their attack. We already have lighting spell for this sort of thing anyways. The EA should be nerfed again, by only allowing it to target high hit point units/heroes, and decreasing the range to less than the entire map.

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Could you please focus on this particular idea, and not how the EA needs to be nerfed. Discuss that somewhere else.

Had I named it something else other than Eagle Artillery Strike you most likely would not have given the same comment. You would've focused on the idea, and may have given a less biased opinion, even if that opinion was still gonna be no.
I am aware the Lightning spell does almost the same thing except it's damage is wider spread than the eagle artillery. Not to mention you only get one of this ability per raid, and has a cooldown period.

The whole concept was really only made to encourage players to save loot as a way to improve loot across the board. I wanted to come up with a more elegant solution that isn't as simple as increase the loot bonus. I wanted something that added gameplay while also attempting to fix something in the game... The loot. Furthermore this ability is part of a risk reward system that takes advantage of the eagle artillery concept since. I also thought it'd be funny to think that the eagle artillery's range is so massive it can reach other bases. That's artillery for you.

I had thought of another way to encourage players to save loot, but felt the reward wasn't that great to get the desired behavior. See link below for that...

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...o-improve-Loot

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Originally Posted by JibuRiRu

Could you please focus on this particular idea, and not how the EA needs to be nerfed. Discuss that somewhere else.

Had I named it something else other than Eagle Artillery Strike you most likely would not have given the same comment. You would've focused on the idea, and may have given a less biased opinion, even if that opinion was still gonna be no.
I am aware the Lightning spell does almost the same thing except it's damage is wider spread than the eagle artillery. Not to mention you only get one of this ability per raid, and has a cooldown period.

The whole concept was really only made to encourage players to save loot as a way to improve loot across the board. I wanted to come up with a more elegant solution that isn't as simple as increase the loot bonus. I wanted something that added gameplay while also attempting to fix something in the game... The loot. Furthermore this ability is part of a risk reward system that takes advantage of the eagle artillery concept since. I also thought it'd be funny to think that the eagle artillery's range is so massive it can reach other bases. That's artillery for you.

I had thought of another way to encourage players to save loot, but felt the reward wasn't that great to get the desired behavior. See my ideas below. "Adding interest to Collectors."

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I understand what you are saying, but that is the point. You are trying to fix something that can only be fixed by nerfing or ridding th11s of eagle artillery. I think they should limit items with no range limitations to spells only, and rid this game of any sort of artillery cannons with infinite range. This will finally allow weak th11s to deservedly be attacked by lower town halls (specifically th10s) that are stronger than them even if it is just one star they gain. This should get the loot flowing once again because it will no longer allow every single town hall 11 with an eagle artillery to be invincible and float around and farm wherever they want with out a care in the world about being attacked. It is pretty much pointless even having any town hall 11 show up in the search because it is practically an automatic "next" and waste of gold. My only theory to why supercell would keep the game the way it is right now is to make tons of money by creating a godly weapon that makes your base practically invincible, creating the urge and desire for people gem up to gain this godly defensive structure. I mean, really, as a th10, if my base is abandoned there is nothing stopping a town that is lower than me from farming my collectors, praying to maybe 50% me in the process if they even care about the trophies at that point. But You can't even do that to an abandoned th11 base because of the damn overpowering EA, and all these weak ♥♥♥ th11s just sit back and collect without giving anything up ever.

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Originally Posted by SirClash

I understand what you are saying, but that is the point. You are trying to fix something that can only be fixed by nerfing or ridding th11s of eagle artillery. I think they should limit items with no range limitations to spells only, and rid this game of any sort of artillery cannons with infinite range. This will finally allow weak th11s to deservedly be attacked by lower town halls (specifically th10s) that are stronger than them even if it is just one star they gain. This should get the loot flowing once again because it will no longer allow every single town hall 11 with an eagle artillery to be invincible and float around and farm wherever they want with out a care in the world about being attacked. It is pretty much pointless even having any town hall 11 show up in the search because it is practically an automatic "next" and waste of gold. My only theory to why supercell would keep the game the way it is right now is to make tons of money by creating a godly weapon that makes your base practically invincible, creating the urge and desire for people gem up to gain this godly defensive structure. I mean, really, as a th10, if my base is abandoned there is nothing stopping a town that is lower than me from farming my collectors, praying to maybe 50% me in the process if they even care about the trophies at that point. But You can't even do that to an abandoned th11 base because of the damn overpowering EA, and all these weak ♥♥♥ th11s just sit back and collect without giving anything up ever.

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I see you have a real angst for the change to the eagle artillery in general, and not just its buff. To be honest, I think it would be best to work WITH the Eagle artillery. Nerfing it would just make it a lame defense. I have seen plenty of people raid fine against it.

I wouldve figured you would have welcomed a weapon that you could use on the eagle artillery itself while also taking the more loot they have saved because of them wanting the ability too.

To be honest, you really have nothing to lose, but loot with this suggestion, and can steal more from them. Not to mention TH 9s and 10s would have more loot to steal too.

Seeing as how you also want the loot to improve, it feels silly to be against it because you think your way is the only way it will wor know. So being against this idea, other than it being complicated to program, is pretty silly. You could stand to be a little more open minded. I understand your frustrations, but don't let it cloud your judgement.

-sigh- if all else fails take a look at another idea had for the loot situation. "Adding interest to the collectors"

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Originally Posted by JibuRiRu

I see you have a real angst for the change to the eagle artillery in general, and not just its buff. To be honest, I think it would be best to work WITH the Eagle artillery. Nerfing it would just make it a lame defense. I have seen plenty of people raid fine against it.

I wouldve figured you would have welcomed a weapon that you could use on the eagle artillery itself while also taking the more loot they have saved because of them wanting the ability too.

To be honest, you really have nothing to lose, but loot with this suggestion, and can steal more from them. Not to mention TH 9s and 10s would have more loot to steal too.

Seeing as how you also want the loot to improve, it feels silly to be against it because you think your way is the only way it will wor know. So being against this idea, other than it being complicated to program, is pretty silly. You could stand to be a little more open minded. I understand your frustrations, but don't let it cloud your judgement.

-sigh- if all else fails take a look at another idea had for the loot situation. "Adding interest to the collectors"

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let me add some suggestions then. Town hall 9s should not have this artillery, because town hall levels more than one level below should be the ones with literally no chance to star your base, therefore th9s shouldn't be attacking th11s in the first place so no point in having them. Th10? Sure. But then you would have to revamp the entire game structure. Then th10s will be overpowering against Th9s. Also, the eagle artillery has a ton of hitpoints, so it would need something incredibly strong to actually take it out.

if I had to make a suggestion of my own, I would add another dark spell called "hallucination spell". For a price, you can cast the spell on a unit such as a golem and it will make two replicas of that unit that pose as hallucinations (will be shaded light blue to show you which ones the hallucinations are). They will draw fire from the eagle artillery. The hallucinations would have less hitpoints, maybe half, but the eagle artillery will still waste some shots on them. This could be made available at th9 (maybe even th8) I believe because it would help them be able to attack strong th10s (still tough to star) as well as th10s and th11s attacking other th11s. with any sort of change there has to be some revamping with town halls lower, but that's my idea.

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Originally Posted by SirClash

let me add some suggestions then. Town hall 9s should not have this artillery, because town hall levels more than one level below should be the ones with literally no chance to star your base, therefore th9s shouldn't be attacking th11s in the first place so no point in having them. Th10? Sure. But then you would have to revamp the entire game structure. Then th10s will be overpowering against Th9s. Also, the eagle artillery has a ton of hitpoints, so it would need something incredibly strong to actually take it out.

if I had to make a suggestion of my own, I would add another dark spell called "hallucination spell". For a price, you can cast the spell on a unit such as a golem and it will make two replicas of that unit that pose as hallucinations (will be shaded light blue to show you which ones the hallucinations are). They will draw fire from the eagle artillery. The hallucinations would have less hitpoints, maybe half, but the eagle artillery will still waste some shots on them. This could be made available at th9 (maybe even th8) I believe because it would help them be able to attack strong th10s (still tough to star) as well as th10s and th11s attacking other th11s. with any sort of change there has to be some revamping with town halls lower, but that's my idea.

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Not that it's a bad idea, but how does it help improve the loot situation? It doesn't make people want to save loot. I mean understand that there is a risk to having the ability I am suggesting. It's precisely the risk of having it that helps the loot.

I put out a lot of thought as to how people would behave with this ability being unlocked the way it is. Further more it's not the ability that's gonna be the end all either. It's that OP, but strong enough to want it. I don't want this ability so strong that it can take out the EA with just one use of it maxed out. Understand you have to save loot, to get the full effect which takes time not to mention people have to upgrade and get raided eventually.

I am trying to keep it balanced while also doing its job to make people save their loot. Because there isn't much incentive to keep loot obviously other than upgrade.

I feel your idea is too indirect in dealing with the loot issue. Not only that, it also may be a tad OP itself which would cause more problems.

is it a spell??

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Originally Posted by Vs100

is it a spell??

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You can treat it as a spell, but it's spell you get to have without spending resources but only if you have met the requirements. It's really the requirements themselves that was the inspiration for the idea.

The issue I see is that it provides too little reward for too much risk. Getting raided for 400/400/2k for a net of 500 damage per raid isn't worth it IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

The issue I see is that it provides too little reward for too much risk. Getting raided for 400/400/2k for a net of 500 damage per raid isn't worth it IMHO.

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I had thought to combine this idea with another idea I had that was centered around people saving loot. Both ideas would help you obtain loot faster. The Eagle strike for raids, and the interest passively.

The other idea was having interest on collectors(check my sig if you wanna see that), so basically the more you saved the more you got. Coupled with this idea itself, I think that's enough reward because you have to consider there IS a loot cap at how much you can lose a raid so the risk is basically capped there. So any more rewards and I feel the benefits out weigh the risk which I don't think should be the case.

Furthermore, given the current shield system, you can easily obtain more than 400k and 2k DE while under that shield. This ability and the interest would just make the risk seem less of a deal so long as you saved loot. Which in turn allows more loot to be injected into the economy. It's a win-win at that point considering the loot cap.

Ill link that other thread in this one.

EDIT: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...o-improve-Loot

there is the link. I'll be honest, I felt the same as way as you when I was looking at my ideas. On their own I didn't think they'd be enough reward for people to save a lot of loot. Together they may be enough, plus on top of them being useful.