Let's all agree to disagree.... people are way too toxic on here anymore.

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January 28th, 2016
RomeoFoxtrot

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Originally Posted by KarmicJustice

Agree with some points, but not all.
Concern that players are voicing their frustration is important, but SC doesn't play like regular buisiness, or even regular AAA developers for that matter.

Just read their "about us" on the main site and you'll see 3 big points:

1. They're in the business to make games, not money
2. Their recent financial success in CoC, Boom Beach, and Hay Day allow them to take big risks and do things no developer would ever dream of doing (short term hit to benefit long-term)
3. SB is behind them 100%, with a focus on 100 yr plans instead of 10yr plans.

So be mindful that they're more than willing to drop a large number of current players if a part of the game is unhealthy longterm, such as sniping.

Do I think the game is perfect? No. SC doesn't think it's perfect, pro-updaters don't think it's perfect, and even anti-updaters are fools to think Pre-TH11 CoC was perfect.

What people SHOULD do is constructively look at things to discuss to MOVE FORWARD, not backwards. Game not social anymore? Suggest a new feature that encourages staying online and social.
Loot troubles? Suggest new systems that don't violate the attack/defend core concept of the game. The Loot Cart update is not the last update; there's plenty to be done in the future.

Regressing into petitions to bring Sniping back isn't productive, and is a waste of time. But almost everything else is probably still on the table. And people on both sides should be mindful of the fact that constant, productive, and progressive discussion is what makes this game closer to perfection

I have, repeatedly. Not only that, it was one of my suggestions to find compromise.

The simple and most elegant solution is to have demarcation leagues. At a certain league, no more townhall sniping. It doesnt get you trophies, it doesn't get you loot bonus, and it doesn't get you a win. You have all the complicatedness, with PBTs, fighting through shields, etc. Solves the issue for the "hardcore" skill-based players. They get this awesome, skill-based version. Like moving to the Pro Leagues.

At lower leagues, everything stays the same. Those players who will never ascend to the higher levels could care less about "skill". They play for the fun, for the camaraderie, NOT skill, but to progress as far as they can given their own personal situation.

Quite a few posts back, I made an analogy to baseball. Tee-ballers play with a tee, but nobody when they ascend the ranks of baseball think its going to stay. If you move up, you lose the tee. Same goes for baseball bats(aluminum vs. wood), or softball(fast pitch vs. slow pitch). The point is, a REAL game recognizes that players play for different reasons and gives everyone the opportunity to play the way they deem enjoyable.

The most recent update removed that.
January 28th, 2016
BurkeKnight

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Originally Posted by Johnnysks

That was written years ago, before they got bought out by Softbank.

So? Think they are going to change, just because SB bought so many shares?
I'd have to say that SB is letting them continue on their path, or they'd have changed that by now.
January 28th, 2016
ForgiveMeNot

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

I'll say. Should see half the forums I have to deal with on a daily basis... Makes this look like a kid's playground compared to a war-zone. XD

I for one, can do both, as I forum on PC and clash on tablet. XD

I am sure you can farm 600k loot with each of your 6 accounts, donate troops and keep track of all the threads on forum at same time!
January 28th, 2016
Radiating

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

So? Think they are going to change, just because SB bought so many shares?
I'd have to say that SB is letting them continue on their path, or they'd have changed that by now.

Actually yes. SoftBank did buy at least one game and run it into the ground while filling up their pocket.

Any justification for this, other than an unsupplied observation?
January 28th, 2016
Johnnysks

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

So? Think they are going to change, just because SB bought so many shares?
I'd have to say that SB is letting them continue on their path, or they'd have changed that by now.

New ownership, new boss. I don't think one can simply assume SC can do as they please, despite what SC/SB tells us in the press.
January 28th, 2016
AeroCloud

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

Correction:

This game has lost its fun, for some people, not all people.

Let's try not to speak for everyone, like you try to tell those that say "adapt or quit" or "A real chief".

I have never told anyone to adapt or quit, why are you putting those words in my mouth.

I also didn't say This game has lost its fun for EVERYONE.

Please stop trolling me, I voiced my valid concern, you pick and choose words to troll me.

STOP IT
January 28th, 2016
BurkeKnight

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

I am sure you can farm 600k loot with each of your 6 accounts, donate troops and keep track of all the threads on forum at same time!

Well, lets just say, with tablet in front of PC screen, lowered a bit, I can see both, very well. I do get the ocasional issue with that blasted inactivity timer, though...LOL

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Originally Posted by Radiating

Actually yes. SoftBank did buy at least one game and run it into the ground while filling up their pocket.

Any justification for this, other than an unsupplied observation?

Wow, defensive a bit, are we?
Okay, I'll bite. Which game?
One that SC was about to throw on the chopping block themselves, maybe? We'll never know if they were or not, now will we? Does not matter. My point was, if SB was not going to let them stay on their "mission" that would have been changed, and not where it got quoted still.

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Originally Posted by Johnnysks

New ownership, new boss. I don't think one can simply assume SC can do as they please, despite what SC/SB tells us in the press.

Again, who knows? But I would think they'd have changed their "mission" statement on their site, if they no longer operated in that fashion.
January 28th, 2016
BurkeKnight

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Originally Posted by AeroCloud

I have never told anyone to adapt or quit, why are you putting those words in my mouth.

I also didn't say This game has lost its fun for EVERYONE.

Please stop trolling me, I voiced my valid concern, you pick and choose words to troll me.

STOP IT

IF YOU READ, I never said YOU said those things!

READ before you call people trolls!!!!!!!

This is what I said, not the BOLD text!

Let's try not to speak for everyone, like you try to tell those that say "adapt or quit" or "A real chief".

And YOU, said This game lost it's fun. I was just pointing out that not for everyone.
January 28th, 2016
AeroCloud

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

IF YOU READ, I never said YOU said those things!

READ before you call people trolls!!!!!!!

This is what I said, not the BOLD text!

Let's try not to speak for everyone, like you try to tell those that say "adapt or quit" or "A real chief".

See that word "you". That implied me
January 28th, 2016
TheRealGinngie

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Originally Posted by RomeoFoxtrot

I have, repeatedly. Not only that, it was one of my suggestions to find compromise.

The simple and most elegant solution is to have demarcation leagues. At a certain league, no more townhall sniping. It doesnt get you trophies, it doesn't get you loot bonus, and it doesn't get you a win. You have all the complicatedness, with PBTs, fighting through shields, etc. Solves the issue for the "hardcore" skill-based players. They get this awesome, skill-based version. Like moving to the Pro Leagues.

At lower leagues, everything stays the same. Those players who will never ascend to the higher levels could care less about "skill". They play for the fun, for the camaraderie, NOT skill, but to progress as far as they can given their own personal situation.

Quite a few posts back, I made an analogy to baseball. Tee-ballers play with a tee, but nobody when they ascend the ranks of baseball think its going to stay. If you move up, you lose the tee. Same goes for baseball bats(aluminum vs. wood), or softball(fast pitch vs. slow pitch). The point is, a REAL game recognizes that players play for different reasons and gives everyone the opportunity to play the way they deem enjoyable.

The most recent update removed that.

Dude. We've already discussed this and it won't work nor is it a good idea. Polishing a fruitcake doesn't make a fruitcake any better.

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