Let's all agree to disagree.... people are way too toxic on here anymore.

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

See everyone, his point was that no matter the side, no matter one's opinion, it does not help, to try to force that side onto another person. Everyone has their own opinions. And they should be respected for it, not told to adapt, or quit, or told that accepting help is the only thing to do.

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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by RomeoFoxtrot

Smartest thing I heard all day. If your goal is to get me to change, you are most assuredly wasting your time.

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Look up Invincible Ignorance

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Originally Posted by RomeoFoxtrot

Hardly. This forum is very mild, and politically correct.

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I'll say. Should see half the forums I have to deal with on a daily basis... Makes this look like a kid's playground compared to a war-zone. XD

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

they all spend lot more time on forumer than playing CoC, wonder why???

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I for one, can do both, as I forum on PC and clash on tablet. XD

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Originally Posted by DanceWithMe

This forum has one of the most toxic community in history of internet... Or gaming industry.

The people expressing all their hate with horrible language...
The people who respond to them are no better, they respond with such a nasty attitude...

This community has no salvation.


I wonder why Clash of Clans attracts violent people. Everybody is so nice in the game, in clan chat, in global chat.. But here, all I see is hate, violence, rudeness, from both sides (people who like the game and people who hate it)

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You're deluded if you think so.

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Originally Posted by BurkeKnight

Trust me, Vinnie, I know. And you been in some threads with me, and know I usually try to attack only those that attack others... It's more fun that way. XD

Yes, my point was, in this thread, those that were trying to help, were not telling him to quit, but that there were ways to farm. However, I do see where he is coming from. Now, I'm starting to think he really has been playing since, and maybe a bit better than we thought, and I'm seeing that he's mainly trying to make a point. Clever, Romeo, really clever. My props to you, for the point well made.

See everyone, his point was that no matter the side, no matter one's opinion, it does not help, to try to force that side onto another person. Everyone has their own opinions. And they should be respected for it, not told to adapt, or quit, or told that accepting help is the only thing to do.

Like I said, Romeo, well played. :)

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Thanks Burke. I wasnt trying to play it, but this game was about everyone playing it their way. Now its about everyone playing it the same way. Thats HUGE. It changes the core underlying mechanics of the game that made it successful. I am literally looking at such a game-changer that it destroys the game....FOR EVERYONE. Without the "others" the game dies for everyone.

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Originally Posted by RomeoFoxtrot

Ill give it to SuperCell, they have a loyal fanbase. On both sides of this update. With an update like this, Ive seen masse exodus of catastrophic proportions.

The fact that there are so many Fresh Spawns here to voice their displeasure should be of concern. It is known in business that for every customer that complains, there are an unknown but significant amount of those who never say a word.

The game is resilient, but not indestructible. Folks here fighting the current, the torrent of players, unsatisfied players, will inevitably make things worse. "Helping" players adapt to a way that is not entertaining will only assure its long-term failure.

What should be done is trying to find a solution, one that doesnt require anyone to completely change the way theyve played for years. To find common ground, and make that comprise LOUD and resounding to the power that be.

Instead, some of you do their bidding. Ive been a part of a forum where the powers that be try to calm the masses with brute force. It never ends well. You may have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Agree with some points, but not all.
Concern that players are voicing their frustration is important, but SC doesn't play like regular buisiness, or even regular AAA developers for that matter.

Just read their "about us" on the main site and you'll see 3 big points:

1. They're in the business to make games, not money
2. Their recent financial success in CoC, Boom Beach, and Hay Day allow them to take big risks and do things no developer would ever dream of doing (short term hit to benefit long-term)
3. SB is behind them 100%, with a focus on 100 yr plans instead of 10yr plans.


So be mindful that they're more than willing to drop a large number of current players if a part of the game is unhealthy longterm, such as sniping.


Do I think the game is perfect? No. SC doesn't think it's perfect, pro-updaters don't think it's perfect, and even anti-updaters are fools to think Pre-TH11 CoC was perfect.


What people SHOULD do is constructively look at things to discuss to MOVE FORWARD, not backwards. Game not social anymore? Suggest a new feature that encourages staying online and social.
Loot troubles? Suggest new systems that don't violate the attack/defend core concept of the game. The Loot Cart update is not the last update; there's plenty to be done in the future.

Regressing into petitions to bring Sniping back isn't productive, and is a waste of time. But almost everything else is probably still on the table. And people on both sides should be mindful of the fact that constant, productive, and progressive discussion is what makes this game closer to perfection

Romeo,

Great posts and view points as others think its a player problem. Its a fun and entertainment problem.

IMO This game has lost its fun, if this game was truly about attacking and defending, we would be able to actually attack 100's of times a day if we had the time.

We are restricted to attack a low number amount of times because our troops/heros/spells etc take 2 hours to recover unless we want to pay $0.65/hr+ to attack every 30-45 minutes.

Like I have said numerous times, WAR is the best feature of this game. It gives you the ability to attack and defend. Multiplayer does not. Multiplayer is about bullying others weaker or less intelligent than you.

Attacking in multiplayer does not take skills, it only takes time. You can basically drop your golems, then spam every other troop and sporadically place spells anywhere your troops are and still get resources of out a base.

I do not think Sitting idle waiting for 1-2 hours on troops/heros/spells FUN.
I do not think Pushing for trophies is fun.
I do not think Watching my base lose progress because I was unable to login fun.

I do have fun actually doing the attack and crushing bases.
I do have fun participating in wars, organizing my clan and helping others get better at attacking.
I do have fun breaking a base down strategically and getting 3 stars.

What would bring FUN back to the game for me would be a MASSIVE reduction in Troop/Spell Costs and MASSIVE reduction in Troop/Spell/Hero Times.


If I could attack every 10-15 minutes with a Viable Attack worthy of 3 stars vs another base, I would be having fun.

Do you disagree with me on that?

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Originally Posted by RomeoFoxtrot

And again, some folks just dont get it. The advice folks are giving are GAMEPLAY advice. For most of us, the game was a way to be ENTERTAINED. All the gameplay in the world isnt going to change that. Your way of entertainment is not mine. Your "help" is not help. As much as youd like to think it is. It isnt.

Which is why the complaining hasnt settled down. You all think you are right. If only everyone saw it the way you do, played the way you do, and are entertained as you are.

And the only reason some of you care to respond is because those who arent happy are upsetting your peaceful forum.

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This describes a large portion of the arguing that I've seen here.

Simply put, people often aren't even arguing about the same things. They just think they are.

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Originally Posted by KarmicJustice

Agree with some points, but not all.
Concern that players are voicing their frustration is important, but SC doesn't play like regular buisiness, or even regular AAA developers for that matter.

Just read their "about us" on the main site and you'll see 3 big points:

1. They're in the business to make games, not money
2. Their recent financial success in CoC, Boom Beach, and Hay Day allow them to take big risks and do things no developer would ever dream of doing (short term hit to benefit long-term)
3. SB is behind them 100%, with a focus on 100 yr plans instead of 10yr plans.

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That was written years ago, before they got bought out by Softbank.

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Originally Posted by AeroCloud

This game has lost its fun.

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Correction:

This game has lost its fun, for some people, not all people.

Let's try not to speak for everyone, like you try to tell those that say "adapt or quit" or "A real chief".