Title says it all. Walls to level 11 or both heroes to level 40. Please explain your answer. I think the Heroes are harder to max.
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Title says it all. Walls to level 11 or both heroes to level 40. Please explain your answer. I think the Heroes are harder to max.
Why? It takes 8,021,000 gold to max a level 1 wall to level 11 wall. Thats 250 Walls. That means over 20 billion gold to max every single wall. JUST DAMN!
Both - resource wise, I would say walls are harder. Time wise - heroes.
Come to think of it for the Heroes you have to wait 7 days every time you upgrade it after level 15. So yeah the Heroes cost you LOOT and TIME so right now I think the Heroes are harder. Also people don't forget lighting on DE which reduced your DE a lot.
Waiting for Hero upgrades to finish may be time consuming, but within that time you can refill your DE storage and start to next upgrade as soon as it finishes, but walls are instant, making it much harder to keep the upgrades constant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSoulz
Walls. Counting level 11 that is:cool:
By that logic the Heroes are harder because like you said you can upgrade multiple walls instantly where as for the Heroes you must wait. Also you said that within that waiting time we could fill our storages. Well when you get to level 30 Heroes and the upgrade time is 7 days, do you think you can get over 100k DE for level 31 heroes within that week. Well no. Not to mentioned the lightning strikes. Also it's easier to find 200k gold rather than 2k DE which makes it harder again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor980
Heroes...... Farming DE past 100k is EXTREMELY hard unless you are actually looking for just 2k-3k DE bases, and those are usually from well developed bases.
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Originally Posted by ClasherOfClans
Might want to check your math. It's 2.2 billion.
Heroes because it's a bigger pain to farm dark and it takes so long to upgrade. Walls are instant and you can make 10m gold or more a day.
walls are harder to max because you have to raid and steal a lifetime supply of gold, but heroes take a lot of time to upgrade while walls take no time at all. so I believe that walls are harder to save up for while heroes just take more time to maximize. the answer is both.
Both are extremely hard to max, but I'd say walls are worse. Mostly because you probably die a little on the inside everytime you spend 4 million gold to make your base a little uglier with those electric blue abominations.
People in this thread have no clue how hard it is to farm DE past 100k or probably have heroes below level 10.
Definitely heroes (but ofc walls are very hard as well). My reasoning is mainly from the fact that they require 2 builders being constantly tied up even in a best case scenario. That's a huge cost in terms of builder time in addition to the cost in DE (which isn't too easy to get either).
your 100% right. ide rather keep level 10 walls so my base looks like the lava base its supposed to look like.Quote:
Originally Posted by MintberryCrunch
You can upgrade two walls with 8 million gold startng from Level 10. That is it. Considering you get 600k gold an hour, it will still yake you 2 hours and 20 minutes to get 4 million gold for a lvl 10 wall going to lvl 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSoulz
Agreed. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by RuthlessBarbarian
Heroes are harder. 4mil gold is something I can raid in a day,(not that I'm ever going to want to farm lvl 11 walls) gold is most likely always going to be easier to raid. Where as farming 50k+ de in a day at 1500tp isn't really attainable.
Heroes because of time, and the fact that DE is a favorite target once you have over 25k.
Yea 50k DE in a day is of course much harder than 4 million gold but those aren't really comparable numbers in relation to the total resource requirements. You'd only have to farm 50k DE about 160 times (it's roughly 8m total for maxed heroes), whereas you'd have to farm 4 million gold about 550 times to completely max walls (2.2bil total).Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial
For every 4 million gold the wall maxer farms per day, the hero maxer would have to get about 14.5k DE to keep pace, which is a very doable number.
Well literally maxing walls would probably be harder, although DE is harder to find.
For me it still comes down to the fact that gold is easy to get and way easier to hold onto compared to DE.Quote:
Originally Posted by MintberryCrunch
I've almost got level 11 heroes but I have a way to go before level 40 walls, so walls i guess.
Um. Zombie. Your a epic farmer if you can get level 40 walls...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiebender
True enough, the worst part about DE accumulation is opening the game and seeing like +50 trophies, and just knowing a bunch of people lightninged the ♥♥♥♥ out of your storage. Gold doesn't have that problem I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial
Couldnt agree with you more, upgrading walls/farming gold for them is extremely tedious.Quote:
Originally Posted by MintberryCrunch
Farming at 1200 or even sub 200 you search for like 200+ gold not like 500 de whatever de you get is extra. Unless your going for dark elixir it's terrible my leader Is at all lvl9 walls working on 10 and has lvl12-13 of both heros
Raiding for all the gold to upgrade walls is a huge sum..
But there is no waiting time at all.
Heroes wise, upgrading them wouldn't be that hard if you are focus on DE farming.
But their upgrade time is argh.
answer: both lol.
Heroes are so time consuming with their upgrade times and is why I consider them harder.
walls.....
Who wants blue electric walls???
(Well if you gave em to me id take em) Money grab and designers went off the deep end with lvl 11.
On topic heros will be harder...my 8 yr old will tell you this. Future rocket scientist...so dont feel bad.
Maximum builder time for heroes is now 7 days after level 14 for heroes. Thank god....
I was a premature TH9, gold/pink/purple walls. January 1st, just before hero update came out.
So in January I already had both heroes.
February I had 5 workers, and started working on my walls.
I now have level 9 walls, level 10 core (32 walls), but my heroes are still level 18 (King) and 10 (Queen).
The heroes both take a worker each, and 157 days to get from level 1 to 30.
Not to mention, near the end you need about 150k + 140k DE per week just to afford the upgrades.
Try saving up for that when people keep hitting you with lightning spells!:rolleyes:
Clearly heroes are the hardest to do.
I'd say both are really difficult but maxing every single wall is much harder.
Just some numbers
Max Barbarian King Total DE cost: 3.75m DE
Max Archer Queen Total DE cost : 4.17m DE
Total: ~8m DE
Max Barbarian King/Archer Queen Total Training Time: 227.5d each
Total amount of walls: 250
Cost per maxed wall: 8.8m
Total Cost: 2.2b
Both are pretty intense, but I think I'd like the challenge of doing harder bases for DE than trying to find easy farm bases and trying to get gold as fast as possible. When I get to the point where I can hero farm, I'll probably try to get both to 15 or 20 then focus on one at a time to max then come back and do the other one. Thatll keep me going for just about ever xD
math:failQuote:
Originally Posted by ClasherOfClans
10 char
Hard to say looking from TH8.
But I'd lean to saying Heroes - just. as not only do you need to constantly store a lot of dark elixir - making you a prime raid target. You have to wait 7 days for every upgrade. 227 days cumulative for just the barb king according to clash wiki. That's a lot of time with no king for attack...
While walls end up costing an insane amount of gold, there is no time cost on building. Just have a builder free at the time.
Heroes are deffinately the hardest thing is max.
Maxing heros is quite possible in less than 1 year but maxing walls is not possible before 2-3 years. You can collect around 700-800 m gold a year which is still very hard to do..
WALLS! As with DE you do not need that resource to upgrade defences only dark troops. As upgrading all your defences require gold to upgrade, less gold is avaliable to upgrade walls which makes it a lot slower.
UHhhhh......I'm over 600m in 7 months. You can make 10-12m gold per day if you farm well and play alot making it take 200-220 days to max walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
10-12m gold a day..? You must be an exception.. I dont think majority of people in this game is even making the half of this in a day.. Besides, you may even be using 4x faster barracks to win that much.. Not everyone has the same opportunity and that will be almost same thing buying gold with gems.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
if you win 2m gold every single day for 1 year that will make 720mil gold in a year.
How on earth are you supposed to got 10 mil gold a day!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
If you can spare 12 hours a day and use 4x faster barracks maybe you can lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by HavingProblems
^ With BAM (barbarian archer minion) you can get the 10 mil in 5-10 hours. Lucrative raids and the correct trophy count are the keys. Aim for mines and/or exposed storages. No barracks boosting included. :p
I think heroes because you always find more gold than dark elixir. And you have more passive gold collectors than passive dark elixir drills.
Heroes.
Walls can be done if you spend enormous and questionable? amounts of time just by hitting mines.
I personally Dont know that many sane people doing this for more than a month. Addiction is the word that comes to my mind.
So heroes. Each to his own, they say. If you want to make coc Raiding your Full time Job then yes! Walls. lol
Presto 5 hours is way too optimistic because you drop trophies. Dont misinform the crowd.
Lol.. exactly..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ushuaia
Heroes are hard to upgrade to max, but to be honest walls are too. Level 39-40 is 200,000 de. Walls are millions per peice. Personally I think both are hard in their own way.
as far as i know no one has fully farmed lv 11 walls, but people have maxed their heroesQuote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Oops, I just voted on a thread that was 6 months old. Guess I will check the date of post next time.
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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Walls definately. I am lucky to farm 2-3 million gold per day. At that rate it will take about 3 years to upgrade all my walls.
That's if there is nothing else to spend gold on, and if I don't get raided much.
With that logic no.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSoulz
I voted Heros because with walls you can always leave a builder free and never have any gold in storage.
But...
Gold has a massive demand to be maxed, but you can easily collector raid lower th levels for this. Weaker bases with gold are more numerous than weaker bases with DE.
Still...
If you go up in trophies you'll find that DE is rich. Also you need only target 1 storage, not to mention 7,200 of DE a day seems a bit more plentiful than 504,000 from gold collectors (gee that really puts my 1 mil days in perspective...). Still you have to wait to upgrade heros and you have to save it up and if you really want it to be coming in the doors you need to be tackling th10 players. That and heros apply to both offense and defense, meaning they can help you out at least some along the way.
It may change for me at th10 but as a th9 player picking on th8 and 7 players for loot is a cake walk. Tackling advanced th9 and 10 players is much harder.
If you really want to farm DE you should not be in a range where lightening strikes are common outside of a revenge attack
I pretty sure whoever says heroes is just a low th level
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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Agreed. As a player who's working on completing LVL10 walls. It's attainable to max LVL11 if you farm a lot in a day. I average 7-8 million a day, and if I play harder for that day 12-15million.
Heroes is definitely a LOT harder to max compared to Walls.